What to do now RE Sarcoids :(

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Vet came up to confirm M has sarcoids on his ding dong, its the shape of a raspberry and he has 3 more little ones on his belly. Shes took lots of photos and sending them of to Proffessor Sarcoid (lol) at Liverpool.

Anyone give me some advice or tips or what they did? And how to help prevent more?? She did say cover him in fly spray as flys can be nasty!!

Vet said Proffessor will probably mix up a cream and perhaps want to cut the one out of penis. owch!

Someone else at my yard her horse had sarcoids and they lasered them off, so Im going to do a little bit of research :)

Thank goodness hes insured, just need to ring them up 1st thing this morning.
 
Be careful with some of the fly sprays, the yellow fly cream works a treat (tho everything it touches goes yellow) thats 1 of the fly products recco'd by most vets treating sarcoids.
Hope they come away easily, its not a short term thing but there is such good success with removing them with the L/cream or lazering :)
 
I use a cream called filtabac to cover the sarcoids the vet recommended it it's the best fly barrier I have found I got my last tub from a eBay shop much cheaper than from the vets .
Remember the use of the cream is to prevent flys spreading the issue to other horses as well as protecting your horse so be meticulous on putting it on any little wounds other horses have .
I was using one tub on the affected horse and another on the rest but the vet has told me that not necessary .
Fatty has had his lasered a few times he gets nodular sarcoids he has had three lots of lasering and one ( in a place not possible to laser removed surgically at a vet uni.)
Lasering gives a mega wound but it's less painful than it looks and they get pain relief but it does take a while to heal after up to three months .
 
I have a (broken) horse with multiple sarcoids. After three days in horsepital the small pea on his sheath blew up like a golf ball. My vet has banded that one, and we have used some Liverpool cream around it.

The others I keep in check with Sarc-Ex. Sarc-Ex is one of those magic powders from Global Herbs that might work on your horse. Or it might not. For many on here it has. For others it has done nothing.

LL hasn't actually grown any more in numbers in the 9 months I have been feeding it, and 12 of the flat ones he had have shrunk from 50p size to 5p size. A few of the little knobbly ones have disappeared completely.

It's imperative you keep him as fly free as possible, and if you do need to touch them and they are exposed or the skin has broken, remember they are like warts and can spread to other areas. There is no clinical evidence to suggest sarcoids will spread between horses although a horse with a predisposition to sarcoids may well develop a sarcoid. I have a statement from the MRCVS to confirm this - and a load of peer reviewed papers on the subject which I can send to you if you like.
 
It was a professor who told me that I MUST use barriers to prevent the risk of spread to other horses .
He had some scary pictures to illustrate the importance .
Just because they have not been able to definitively work out how it happens does not mean it does not and does mean we should be taking every precaution to prevent the risk.
Likewise there is no evidence at all that feeding herbs helps at all but that no reason not to if you feel it's worth the cost.
Horses get infected somehow the virus is transmitted by some method flys or an insect of some type is the most likely method.
 
Meant to add I was talking this yesterday with the vet as I have two with this irritating issue ( they have different types )
the vet was saying they are seeing more and more .
we are very careful with the sarcoids after treatment we put anti viral creams on the wounds twice daily and use barriers depending on the season .
 
HeresHoping said:
There is no clinical evidence to suggest sarcoids will spread between horses although a horse with a predisposition to sarcoids may well develop a sarcoid. I have a statement from the MRCVS to confirm this - and a load of peer reviewed papers on the subject which I can send to you if you like.
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There may not be any 'clinical' evidence - but I've seen enough!! Years ago, my RID gelding (the first) had a small nodular sarcoid on his neck which was no bothewr - so I left it. Over the next 12 months, 6 of my horses developed sarcoids. Now that MIGHT have been bad luck, but they were all horses who were stabled pretty close to the original (within stable flies 'territory'.) 40 odd horses living out remained sarcoid free! Obviously not all the stabled horses 'caught' sarcoids - my stallion who was stabled next door to him never had one - but sarcoids had pretty much disappeared after I got rid of all the ruddy things.

Then - after 3 years sarcoid free - a client sent me a mare to prepare for grading and back - she forgot to mention the ruddy thing had a crop of sarcoids on her belly. While we were clearing up hers, two more horses - stabled close to her - got the ruddy thngs. Again, nothing in the fields got them.
 
Have a look at the Turmeric User Group on facebook if you can . In the pinned posts and files at the top of the page are many reviews from people treating their horses. Lots of photo evidence of their success . Might be worth a look . I hope you find an answer .
 
I really don't want to cause any consternation. I agree with what you are saying, Goldenstar and JG, hence stating that 'a horse with a predisposition to sarcoids may well develop a sarcoid'. I absolutely would never condone being blase about it and agree wholeheartedly that every precaution should be taken.

Having seen the panic that ran through my livery yard when it was announced that I was potentially getting a horse with a few flat/occult sarcoids (which we know can change quite rapidly and develop into nodular and even fibroblastic sarcoids), I had to do some serious thinking. I was going to be thrown off if I did not get a statement from my vet that others on the yard wouldn't be affected. Furthermore, two others on the yard were also in danger of being thrown off as two horses had sarcoids. I was not prepared to ask my vet to compromise his professional integrity so I went to the RCVS and asked for advice and contact details of the leading researchers to get their viewpoints. I have a degree in Immunology so I wanted the real low down, not just the information prepared for the layman.

I am not naming names on a public forum but suffice to say that I spoke directly with a number of researchers looking into the issue. Sarcoid research from an pathological standpoint is currently being undertaken by a group of scientists in Glasgow. They had been working primarily on donkeys because they are more prone to sarcoids than horses, but have also been conducting a lengthy study on horses and have thus far failed to recreate, clinically, any spread of sarcoids between animals. Please note, I am not saying it can't happen. I'm saying it has not been proven in a clinical environment.

There is some suggestion that a predisposition to sarcoids is a genetic trait.
 
I am afraid if I was a livery with a sarcoid free horse the fact that boffins have not managed to recreate in a lab what nature does with supreme ease would not be enough to reassure me .
I would keep a horse stabled close to one with sarcoids unless a strict system to
Reduce the risk was in place .
My horse have been treated by professors with international reputations ( different ones ) and both have been absolutely clear that you must guard against airborne vectors .
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People are far too lax about this issue .
I remember being at a clinic and seeing a horse with huge raw sarcoids in the group before me crawling with flys .
We drenched my horse with fly spray and I hacked it away until the horse was gone it's totally irresponsible to take horses out and about in that state .
I think it's when the sarcoid is raw you need to applying anti viral creams and barriers after treatment of course and if they get raw due the flys who seem drawn to them .
I hate the damn things but I love Fatty more he's had four lots of about £1000 spent on them .
J has a different type not so active fingers crossed he's not going to get more .
 
There may well be a genetic predisposition , common sense would suggest that as in cervical cancer the horse needs to catch the virus and be predisposed to develop the condition .
We can't do anything about genetic predisposition apart from not breed from mares or stallions that have had them and that's unlikely to happen but we can try to do the best we can against the vector .
 
So what am I to do then to stop the possible spread (even if its not been proven clinically) to another horse on the yard? Is there any precautions I can take to stop the spread of more sarcoids on my horse in the meantime until we have our results back????

Hes currently stabled with 4 other horses (in seperate stables lol) He can go out in turn out paddocks but has to go with another horse or he goes beserk.

Just rang KBIS and I should have looked at the bloody paper work before getting it, I just clicked on platinum thinking this was the best option for us.... only £350 excess!! At least Ive learnt a lesson here, misserable a sin today though :(
 
Carrots&Mints said:
So what am I to do then to stop the possible spread (even if its not been proven clinically) to another horse on the yard? Is there any precautions I can take to stop the spread of more sarcoids on my horse in the meantime until we have our results back????

Hes currently stabled with 4 other horses (in seperate stables lol) He can go out in turn out paddocks but has to go with another horse or he goes beserk.

Just rang KBIS and I should have looked at the bloody paper work before getting it, I just clicked on platinum thinking this was the best option for us.... only £350 excess!! At least Ive learnt a lesson here, misserable a sin today though :(
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Keep them covered with a barrier cream of some type if they are raw in any way .
Use gallons of fly repellents on him .
And studiously use barriers on nicks and wounds on the other horses .
At least you know how much this lot of treatment will cost you Fattys have cost me around £4000 so far .
But I also have had other horses who have one treatment and the sarcoids where never an issue again .
I hope it's straight forward .
 
Goldenstar said:
It was a professor who told me that I MUST use barriers to prevent the risk of spread to other horses .
He had some scary pictures to illustrate the importance .
Just because they have not been able to definitively work out how it happens does not mean it does not and does mean we should be taking every precaution to prevent the risk.
Likewise there is no evidence at all that feeding herbs helps at all but that no reason not to if you feel it's worth the cost.
Horses get infected somehow the virus is transmitted by some method flys or an insect of some type is the most likely method.
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If this is the case, then why don't all horses have sarcoids?. I'm not a medical professional, but like cancer in humans, surely some horses just have a natural predisposition to them?
 
WinkingWillow said:
If this is the case, then why don't all horses have sarcoids?. I'm not a medical professional, but like cancer in humans, surely some horses just have a natural predisposition to them?
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That's exactly what the thinking is in horses they need to be predisposed and then come into contact with the vector .
 
Thankyou very much Goldenstar :) I will be doing that as soon as I get back home :) Im going to buy some Sarc-ex for him this weekend aswell just to help as some people have rated it on here. I have that Phasor fly repelent which is the only thing I personally think that keeps the flys away so will be using that as from tonight.

Fingers corssed when we get rid of them they wont come back.... oh ill be crossing my toes as well :)
 
To be honest I've had more success with Sarc-Off than I have with the Liverpool cream. Out of 10 horses treated at the stud only 1 didn't respond to the Sarc-Off.

I had to get my vet to order it for me and it wasn't cheap (although not as expensive as the Liverpool cream and at least you can apply this one yourself!) but it worked a treat. The one who it didn't work for then went on to have 4 applications of the Liverpool cream which still didn't shift it - he went on Turmeric 3 weeks ago and 2 have now dropped off.
 
Oh fab madlady, im just trying to upload the photos on photbucket and then try and paste them over onto here to see what people think. :) The ones on his belly look quite 'normal' but the one on his whatsit looks quite aggressive, like a raspberry dangling on
 
My mare has had sarcoids on her stomach in the past. Didn't really bother me until she hit one when she jumped a gate and it literally grew in length over night! Treated with Camrosa and after a day it fell off but eventually started to grow back. My vet treated them all by freezing them (I'm sure that's what he used), and they have never ever came back (treatment was definately less than £200). She is out with other mares and apart from a fly sheet and spray in summer I don't do anything else. There has never been a concern by anyone at yard that there is the possibility of spreading to other horses, she's out at grass 24/7 in summer with other mares, and no other horse at yard has ever had them.
 
It totally depends on they type ads to which treatment they have.

My horse had a huge one grow above his eye.
He had it cut off twice ( both times the size of a golf ball) in the time it too for liverpool and professor K to respond!

He then had bcg injections.

He was totally sorted with.

Yes keep flies off, they cam make is sore and apparently spread them!

Good luck, I hope yours is straight forward.
 
smellsofhorse said:
It totally depends on they type ads to which treatment they have.

My horse had a huge one grow above his eye.
He had it cut off twice ( both times the size of a golf ball) in the time it too for liverpool and professor K to respond!

He then had bcg injections.

He was totally sorted with.

Yes keep flies off, they cam make is sore and apparently spread them!

Good luck, I hope yours is straight forward.
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What did that cost ?
I hear they have a vaccine in development that perhaps will help in the future but my vet it probably will be no good for horses like fatty who already get them at the drop of a hat .
 
Don't just look for remedies on the internet-go with what your picture results recommend as it does make a difference which type of sarcoid it is etc.
 
Goldenstar said:
What did that cost ?
I hear they have a vaccine in development that perhaps will help in the future but my vet it probably will be no good for horses like fatty who already get them at the drop of a hat .
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To be honest i diddnt look at the final figure!
We were covered by insurance, so paid the excess, and part of the livery while he stayed in.
Apparently they had spare vials of the bgc i their fridge for quite awhile!
So maybe someone else got a discount on them!
 
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