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my friend bought a horse last year from a huge establishment (cant say for obvious reasons) he was reasonably priced and considerably less than any others,had 2 stage vetting done as was only 2, he was young so she threw him out to mature a bit, but noticed something about him which wouldve complicated/stopped his eventing career, her vet maintained the horse had probably had it since birth or had serious trauma which he defo did not get with her..... contacted this massive establishment and to her horror they did not want to know about this horse, ,at all, they never contacted at all after they refused to help in anyway other than to offer to send in buyers (this horse needed to have surgery to enable him to continue as an athlete, if left untreated wouldve been in distress in fast work), in her opionion was just like a dealer attitude,,,, so she battled on and her insurance company were amazing, sorted said horse out and got him back on his feet...........hes currently been quite successful and guess what!!!! this &*&*&*&**&* place has used his name to promote themselves!!!WTF ???? what can she do????
 
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but noticed something about him which wouldve complicated/stopped his eventing career

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Presumably this wasn't apparent when she bought him if she's just noticed it, nor picked up on the vetting?

What does she think should happen?
 
should they be able to use him now, when they didnt want to know before hand?????

to add the 2 stage vetting wouldnt have included exhertion (sp)
 
I think you mean is there anything she can do to prevent them using her horses name. I suppose she could try but if it has a prefix then it's obvious where it came from anyway even if they don't advertise the fact. TBH although I can understand why she is upset because of their disinterest I'm not sure what she expected to happen. She had the horse vetted and it passed so I guess it is a case of buyer beware. The fact that it was cheap should have been a warning flag, people like that don't accidentally price their horses below their worth. Unless you can prove they deliberately withheld info from her or lied I don't think they can be held responsible for the horse after she took it, was she and the vet must have been happy with it at the time. It's frustrating to have someone taking credit for your friends hard work and effort but I don't see what she can do really.
 
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should they be able to use him now, when they didnt want to know before hand?????

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Sorry, you've lost me.

But is this a problem with his wind?? If it is, it may only have become apparent as the horse has matured. And I'm not sure that anyone can be held responsible for that can they????

However, in your original post you appear to be saying that the establishment offered to buy him back. What more can they do??
 
no they didnt offer to buy him back, they offered to send prosepctive buyers in, how could she sell him on, she would have to tell them! he needed the surgery to ensure his future career. She goes by what her vet told her 'as i said' and that is that is more likely to be born with/ his advice was to go back and see if they would help in anyway!! Her point really i guess is that after all the trauma and surgery and worry,,, they didnt want to know then, when hes ok and successful they use him seems very unfair, and the question has to be, can they use him without her saying is ok????
 
Sorry, I really have no idea what you're on about as you're not explaining yourself very well.

1. What is his problem - wind?? Limb??

2. Of course they don't want to know - they've sold him.

3. Is this an entire? If so, it is up to his current owner who he serves.
 
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All depends on the terms of sale (if there where any) when the horse was purchased.

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he was bought as an eventer and clearly with this condition needed the surgery to event without it would possibly be ok hacking (she didnt buy him for hacking)

the point i think is where does she stand RE: using his success without permisson??
 
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I think you mean is there anything she can do to prevent them using her horses name. I suppose she could try but if it has a prefix then it's obvious where it came from anyway even if they don't advertise the fact. TBH although I can understand why she is upset because of their disinterest I'm not sure what she expected to happen. She had the horse vetted and it passed so I guess it is a case of buyer beware. The fact that it was cheap should have been a warning flag, people like that don't accidentally price their horses below their worth. Unless you can prove they deliberately withheld info from her or lied I don't think they can be held responsible for the horse after she took it, was she and the vet must have been happy with it at the time. It's frustrating to have someone taking credit for your friends hard work and effort but I don't see what she can do really.

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yes you get it!! thats the whole point and the bit about the money it was because of the place (establishment) that she thought she was safe, she was given reasons why he was so cheap,size) and its bad enought he carries a prefix let alone them going out of their way to take the plss!!!! and a warning to all 'you never are safe'her lesson learnt!!
 
IME big places are the worst for things like this. It is like people who send their horses to 'name' riders for schooling, if there are 30 horses on the yard and the rider/long term owners own 20 of them who do you think the rider is going to spend their time on? I know yards where people are paying a fortune for their horse to be ridden by a working pupil - not the service they are paying for!
Unfortunately I think they still have rights to use the horses name although she could maybe try and seek legal advice, it'd probably just cost money. She should probably just try and rise above it and see it as a reflection of her success that a horse which was written of by them is now being used to advertise them.
 
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Sorry, worst places for what??

We don't know what is wrong with the horse - and haven't been given a very clear story of what the issue is......

Until we do, how can anyone possibly speculate that the 'establishment' has done anything wrong or underhand.
 
amymay without (for obvious reasons going into too much detail) the horse had serious restrictions when bought, could be argued that the horse developed in the 3 months she had him, but vet thnks is more likely before that,,, this (although a factor) isnt the thing, the owner wants to know if she can stop them using his name directly without her permission, being that they washed their hands of this horse and after her/his blood sweat and tears they use his name to imply one of their successfully sold horses, when that wasnt the case. She also hates the thought of people being attracted to use them by his success!!!
 
I wish your friend every luck - still have no idea what you're on about, so will (try) and refrain from commenting further.
 
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Sorry, worst places for what??

We don't know what is wrong with the horse - and haven't been given a very clear story of what the issue is......

Until we do, how can anyone possibly speculate that the 'establishment' has done anything wrong or underhand.

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I really understand what you are saying but I *think* the OP point that they are trying to get across is this:

The friend bought the horse with a 2 stage vetting. Since the horse has matured an issue (what, we don't seem to be able to find out!) has arisen that is preventing it from doing the job is was originally bought for.
The vet seems to think that the sellers knew about this issue and that is why is was cheap (may be wrong here).
The sellers then were not accepting they knew about the issue which resulted in the horse not being suitable for eventing.
The sellers have now used the (now successful) horse to advertise its name.
I think the friend is annoyed as they sold her a 'faulty' horse, were not interested in the fact that is was 'faulty' then once it became successful used it to advertise their name.

I may of been completely wrong there!
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I think the complaint is not whether the establishment should pay vet bills etc to get the horse into the condition he would have had to be in to be sold as an eventer - I think that battle has been fought and lost.

The complaint is that now that horse is fixed and successful the establishment is using his name as one of their success stories. Whether they can do that goes to possible infringment of the owner's intellectual property rights in the horse and its name.
 
I think it's a wind problem - which if it is - is sad, but not a reason to get knickers in a twist. Plenty of big horses have to be tied back to compete - and if this is the issue I'm not sure that anyone could have spotted this until the horse started maturing.

It would help enormously if people could write in sentances and paragprahs and actually try and explain what they want to talk about without people having to try and interpret....

Plus if this is a 'big' establishment - then of course not everything they breed is (n their eyes) going to be a 'super star' (even if they do get it wrong). As professionals (and of course I'm guessing here that they are), part of what they will do every year is to surely make an educated guess on what they want to keep and what they want to sell on - and for what price.

They may also have looked at this horse and anticipated that it could have a wind problem if it ended up as big as they thought it may get. They don't have to say anything to a potential purchaser about this - as it may only have been a consideration - not a fact they knew about.

So based on what the OP has said - I can't see that anyone has done anything wrong.

Of course I am probably way off track here.......

(see, couldn't help myslef).
 
you guys are fab,,, you have got it,,,,,, i cant say too much for very obvious reasons!!!!!!!!!!!! I just wanted opinions for my friend, there is alot more to this story but the whole thing from vetting to finding the said issue was a bit strange but because of the 'place' she thought she was being paranoid,,, am very sorry to cause confusion, but just wanted opinions and not to go over dodgy ground,,, the point is deffo

Should the place have been able to use the success when they didnt want to know about this horse when things were bad! (ethically)SP and is there anything she can do to stop them in the future???
 
Not sure what the confusion is with your post, putting the problems aside as they are now in the past I would say that your friend has every right to be annoyed that this establishment is using her horses name - I assume they are 'advertising' that 'x horse' is doing very well and he was bred/sold by them??
 
Hmm, I don't have a problem with it myself. Can't see why she has a problem with it either, she should be proud of her achievements and that they have chosen to mention the horse.

My horse has something wrong with him 5 years after I bought him as a rising 4yr old. Do you think I could go back to the breeder/seller and blame her? My point being, where do you draw the line of blaming someone else for a horses problems??
 
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It would help enormously if people could write in sentances and paragprahs and actually try and explain what they want to talk about without people having to try and interpret....

your quite rude!!!! why would you put that when everyone else seems to get it but you!!!

(see, couldn't help myslef).

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wish you had^^^^ seems you have missed what everybody else has picked up on,
im sure theres plenty of constructive advice you can offer someone else on here so PLEASE feel free!!!
 
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wish you had^^^^ seems you have missed what everybody else has picked up on, im sure theres plenty of constructive advice you can offer someone else on here so PLEASE feel free!!!

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Sorry, I must be having a slow day. Everyone else has obviously understood what the issue is apart from me
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If the horse was bred by their stallion then IMO there is absolutely nothing wrong with them promoting the fact that your friend's horse is one of their offspring, not every horse comes out perfect. Fact is the horse was cheap and your friend had it vetted, the insurance has paid all costs and she now has a successful horse.
 
i understood some of your post but it is a bit blahdy blah and a bit all over the place, which may cause some confusion. It didnt help that you didnt exactly explain what was wrong with it.

In answer to your Question - i cant really see why your friend would have a problem with it, i would be quite happy myself that they (if they are a respectable place) had my horses pic on there as an example and a boasting session.
At the end of the day as the horse is now ok, i wouldnt even worry about anything other than the horses welfare.
 
If you buy a horse from anywhere, and you have it vetted, making a decision on the vet's advice, you can hardly blame the vendor years down the line for the horse's developmental and health issues. These are the risks you take, if you buy a youngster, particularly one that is cheap.
As for the stud/establishment taking credit for breeding him...well, they did. Your friend should be pleased as it may add value to him if she wants to sell.
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it wasnt their stallion, nor their mare, just born there!

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What?
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Now I am confused
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If it wasn't their mare or stallion, how was it born there?
Sorry if I'm being a bit dumb here
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wish you had^^^^ seems you have missed what everybody else has picked up on, im sure theres plenty of constructive advice you can offer someone else on here so PLEASE feel free!!!

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Sorry, I must be having a slow day. Everyone else has obviously understood what the issue is apart from me
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You're not the only one.
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