What type of bridle is this?

[Erin]

And what does it 'do'?

 

[mrogers]

think its just a normal double bridle with a combination nose band with crank. No idea why you would choose that noseband tho,dont really see the purpose of it

 

[Enfys]

Micklem, or variation on the theme ?

Incredibly ugly and way too busy on a head, but there you go, if the horse likes it then it hardly matters that it looks like a bad bondage job. The horse, at that particular moment in time, looks terrifically happy and carefree as you can see.

http://www.williammicklem.com/multibridle-insideout.html

 

[mrogers]

thats the noseband i was trying to find but couldnt remember the name but i had the same thought to abbi, really relaxed and settled *rolls eyes*

 

[Enfys]

Morning Meg, how is snowy Wales? Has the move happened yet?

I had to search for the name too, quite impressive for me at 7am!

At first glance I thought the headcollar had been left on!
It looks nice and, ummm, snug! Huge fail in the looks department for me.

 

[mrogers]

hiya ab, Brynamman had a dusting yesterday but all gone today, we are moving today, cant wait!!

 

[team barney]

Don't know the specific name but agree it looks micklem-esq.

The picture is not a happy one, horse looks very uncomfortable, it is such a shame dressage has become what it is today

 

[ShowJumperBeckii]

not trying to but in as no idea about bridle
but has anyone thought that the horse looks umcomfortable cause the big scary arena with the huge crowd? just a thought

 

[team barney]

not trying to but in as no idea about bridle
but has anyone thought that the horse looks umcomfortable cause the big scary arena with the huge crowd? just a thought

The discomfort isn't reflecting in the eye, it is through the neck which in my opinion tends to indicate training methods/gadgets.
I think the horse is quite used to performing in front of crowds by now, if the crowds were the worry I'd expect to see signs of such in the eye rather than purely that extreme tension through the neck/mouth.

 

[charlie76]

Its just a moment in time, you can't judge a horses happiness and way of going from one photo. I watched the whole test and although it wasn't in the league of carl, Laura or Charlotte, the horse didn't look miserable in his work, in fact , he looked pretty forward going- all most too much at times!

 

[brighteyes]

Must be 'dressage legal'

 

[team barney]

And you think forward momentum is indicative of comfort?

I am not judging from one photo, and in no way do I think this horse/rider are the only uncomfortable pairing on the circuit, far from it!

 

[MiCsarah]

Its just a moment in time, you can't judge a horses happiness and way of going from one photo. I watched the whole test and although it wasn't in the league of carl, Laura or Charlotte, the horse didn't look miserable in his work, in fact , he looked pretty forward going- all most too much at times!

Completely agree! Could it not be slightly like a grackle?

 

[charlie76]

And you think forward momentum is indicative of comfort?

I am not judging from one photo, and in no way do I think this horse/rider are the only uncomfortable pairing on the circuit, far from it!

No, but I do think that there is too much judging from a moment in time. After all, they must be half decent and the horse must be happy to be trained to be there in the first place!

The question was ' what is the bridle?' Not ' does this horse look happy in this bridle'

As far as I am concerened, until I am up there, competing at Olympia, I am in no place to judge from one photo.

 

[Cahill]

just looking at the other `bling` thread too...
cant help thinking that my mare looks nicer/prettier/handsomer in her french link snaffle with headpiece and cheek pieces and plain reins and browbrand

(imo ).

 

[amandap]

The picture is not a happy one, horse looks very uncomfortable, it is such a shame dressage has become what it is today

I agree.

Re judging a moment in time... that horse is shouting to me and I've watched many go through a whole test looking like this and worse.

 

[monkeybum13]

Typical HHO, someone asks a simple, genuine questions and then people start going off topic and slating the horse pictured.

I thought the whole test was a lovely test and the horse didn't look unhappy!

 

[charlie76]

Take a look at these pics- doesn't look too bad to me:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&....,cf.osb&fp=85a1a88efb82f998&biw=1096&bih=314

and I know he is not in the bridle in all of the pics.

Hands up who rides/trains horses to that level??? Not me, therefore I am in no position to slate some one who has. She came 5th I believe- couldn't have been that bad!

 

[YorksG]

Take a look at these pics- doesn't look too bad to me:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&....,cf.osb&fp=85a1a88efb82f998&biw=1096&bih=314

and I know he is not in the bridle in all of the pics.

Hands up who rides/trains horses to that level??? Not me, therefore I am in no position to slate some one who has. She came 5th I believe- couldn't have been that bad!

I do not train or ride horses to that level, neither do I jump, however that does not mean that those that do are somehow immune from comment. I hope that I am able to recognize when a horses tack is not helping them to be happy in their work. I find the argument that unless you compete to a particular level then you are not 'qualified' to make any comment entirely spurious. I cannot ride to the level that Sylvia Loch does, but by goodness I can recognize that the woman rides increibly well. I am I not allowed that opinion either?

 

[charlie76]

Of course, but it drives me mad on this forum ( as I have been at the end of it) that a picture is posted with a totally different question and everyone decides to critisise the horses way of going, happiness and training from a snap shot in time. There is a pic on here in CR of Richard Davidson horse that is very BTV, no one has commented on that and why would they, it was a split second in time.
That horse, in that one shot has been unfortunatley been caught very BTV, causing the area around his cheeks to 'puff out' and making the noseband look tight. However, if you look at the horses mouth- there is no tension to be seen.
I watched the test, it was not in the same league as the brits test ( hence why they were 1st- 4th and she was 5th( still an achievement) but at no point did the horse look tense or unhappy, it just wasn't as fluent as the brits tests ( the half pass zigzags were a bit quick and he needed to sit more and be in more self carriage- as agreed by the commentator).
I don't have a problem with people having an opinion, but before you judge watch the whole test and then have an opinion.

 

[Enfys]

Charlie, some people, myself included, did give a name for the bridle type (perhaps not the correct one) but a name was given, and a link.

What was it that you said it was again when you answered the original question?

 

[Llanali]

QR- the bridle is designed by the rider's father I believe- names escape me tonight, too much ginger wine at the yard!

It is a normal crank, the rest of the bridle is designed as it is to relieve pressure from the poll and around the ears, and onto the flat bones of the cheek apparently.

There was a thread in CR ages ago about it, after FrodoBeutelin spotted one in the fabulous pics she takes- she did ask the trainer/rider in question about it, I believe?

 

[charlie76]

Asking the rider in question why they use it, what for and how it should be fitted Would be the way to go. Far better than jumping to conclusions from a split second photo!

 

[YorksG]

Of course, but it drives me mad on this forum ( as I have been at the end of it) that a picture is posted with a totally different question and everyone decides to critisise the horses way of going, happiness and training from a snap shot in time. There is a pic on here in CR of Richard Davidson horse that is very BTV, no one has commented on that and why would they, it was a split second in time.
That horse, in that one shot has been unfortunatley been caught very BTV, causing the area around his cheeks to 'puff out' and making the noseband look tight. However, if you look at the horses mouth- there is no tension to be seen.
I watched the test, it was not in the same league as the brits test ( hence why they were 1st- 4th and she was 5th( still an achievement) but at no point did the horse look tense or unhappy, it just wasn't as fluent as the brits tests ( the half pass zigzags were a bit quick and he needed to sit more and be in more self carriage- as agreed by the commentator).
I don't have a problem with people having an opinion, but before you judge watch the whole test and then have an opinion.

I do wish people would make their minds up, in one post we can only have an opinion if we compete/ride to the level of the person we comment about, then in another we are allowed an opion, but not of the picture presented, only if we have seen the whole test that the photo was taken during. I have to say that I will have an opinion when I want to, not when someone else on a forum gives me permission!

 

[ThePony]

is it a Dyon? They do some with similar looking headpieces? http://www.sederholmselected.co.uk/category_s/1.htm

 

[charlie76]

So from reading That the throat lash is supposed to be very tight To stop the head piece moving forward toward the ears. This tells me he wears the bridle to eliminate pressure round his ears/ poll which he must not lime, not to crank him onto the bridle as first assumed.

 

[Erin]

So from reading That the throat lash is supposed to be very tight To stop the head piece moving forward toward the ears. This tells me he wears the bridle to eliminate pressure round his ears/ poll which he must not lime, not to crank him onto the bridle as first assumed.

It is very obviously not one of those Dyon bridles though!! And if it is meant to be keeping the headpiece away from the ears it's not doing a very good job!!!

It does look a bit like a Micklem bridle, but with a different noseband. Does anyone know the reason for having the throatlash 'lower' than on a normal bridle?
Some dressage riders don't have throatlashs on their bridle so I assume this one has aspecifici purpose?

 

[ester]

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=370341&highlight=Eremo

there have been discussions about it before, when used on other horses too. it also shows a better round the ears pic.