What would you expect from Part/Full Livery?

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Just wanted some opinions really, for £80 p/w what would you expect from Part/Full Livery?

Would Hoof Picking and washing muddy legs off be included?

Also if your horse had a small open wound, would you expect it to be at least kept clean and some antiseptic (provided by the owner) applied? Or would you feel you had to go up and do this yourself everyday?

The reason I ask is that I am interested in what other people's expectations would be if their horse was kept on full livery? And to see if I am being too demanding and expecting too much :confused:
 
full livery = everything except riding.... (i would expect a charge for wound cleaning tbh unless its just slap some cream on)

part livery more like 65-80 a week here - 5 days full livery 2 days DIY.... or 7 days trnout/bring in - all hay etc included....

and again yes charge for that....or do it yourself.

YO's charge for walking a horse round with injury so same for a cut :)
 
I do a part livery at a similar price, I do Mon-Fri owner comes at weekends and the odd day during the week to ride.
Legs are washed most days and feet are quickly picked out before it gets put away, any minor injuries would get noticed and washed off and treated as required, I would only bother the owner if it needed the vet, I use common sense and experience as to what gets done that is why the horse is on livery to save the owner worrying about him too much.
I have just finished dealing with an abscess, daily tubbing and poulticing at no extra charge, owner pays for bandages etc.
 
I would expect what I was told was included. You cannot generalise at all.

I think horses should have their feet picked out daily and therefore it should be included just like topping up water or changing rugs but YOs don't necessarily agree.......
 
If it was a full livery 5 days a week service (excluding riding) then I would expect legs to be washed off, feet picked out as absolute standard. Rug changes, turn out, bring in, stable, hay, water, feed. I would also 'expect' that a minor cut would be washed and ointment applied as appropriate. I would be prepared to pay a supplement if the treatment were to take more than five minutes per day...
 
When you say part livery what do you mean?

I'm on part livery and that includes turn out and muck out out on one side of the day 5 days a week. I go up once on weekdays and twice at weekends.

Doesn't get feet picked out by yo as I do this at the other end of day but he gets sunscreen and fly spray slapped on.

I have paid more in past to have feet picked out when battling thrush!

However, if your not going up at all on certain days I would def expect feet picked picked out. Muddy legs wouldn't bother me though!
 
For £80 per week I'd expect that to be part livery rather than full, so extra work on top of muck out / turn out / bring in / feed / hay / water / rugs may or may not be chargeable depending on the YO, the contract and the circumstances.

On part livery I'd generally expect a YO would be willing to clean / apply cream to a basic cut or a knock, but not spend masses of extra time on caring for injuries without charging extra, and certainly the owner should pay for materials.

I wouldn't necessarily expect legs washed and feet picked out as standard for £80 per week.

I would expect leg washing / feet / injury care (but not materials or excessive amounts of time) to be included in proper full livery packages, though.
 
I'm moving my horse to our old yard next week and she'll be on part livery. It will include the YO doing everything, mucking out, turning out, bringing in etc 7 days a week, all I have to do is exercise her and buy her feed and hay.
 
I am on part livery and feet are always picked out when horse is brought in (and as basic good management I would be very unimpressed if they weren't to be honest). Legs are not automatically washed unless you request it (I think mainly as some people do want washed daily and others don't) - I have a general agreement that if caked/won't be able to brush off to boot by time I come up in evening will wash but if not too bad leave as I don't want daily washing.

Re cuts mine got a cut on his nose - yard cleaned decided didn't need vet then rang out of courtesy to let me know. Was exactly how I would of dealt with so was happy - I wasn't charged.

When mine had an injury that needed cream (after vet visit) I came up 1st few mornings but that was more for my peace of mind/to see if swollen etc. then after that yard put cream on daily. All they asked was I left it out so made it easier for them to do. Again no charge.

I think if bandage needed changing for example I would expect to pay as that is a lot more time consuming than just a bit of cream.
 
Part and full I think are different - full livery I would definately expect grooming and leg washing if needed as well as hoof picking to be included. Part livery I would not as I would not expect grooming to be included or hoof picking/leg washing.

I would expect to pay extra for first aid and treatment of injuries but the option of assistance with this to be provided if needed..
 
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£80 a week is cheap as chips, so I wouldn't expect anything other than a basic muck & chuck. Certainly not legs hosed, but would hope a quick application of cream onto a minor wound would be done, anything more than that though and would expect additional charge.
 
SO1 said:
Part and full I think are different - full livery I would definately expect grooming and leg washing if needed as well as hoof picking to be included. Part livery I would not as I would not expect grooming to be included or hoof picking/leg washing.

I would expect to pay extra for first aid and treatment of injuries but the option of assistance with this to be provided if needed..
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Hoof picking is basic care surely, absolute basic care!
 
ihatework said:
£80 a week is cheap as chips, so I wouldn't expect anything other than a basic muck & chuck. Certainly not legs hosed, but would hope a quick application of cream onto a minor wound would be done, anything more than that though and would expect additional charge.
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That would depend on location though, in Devon you'd get full including exercise on some yards...
 
More fool them in Devon then! Less than £12 a day to maintain a yard, bed feed & hay a horse, time to look after AND ride?!
 
I am in Berkshire, I charge £70 for five day part livery, this includes feeding Am, rugs changed,boots on if needed, turn out, muck out, hay nets filled, day nets put in, water changed , evening feeds made up. It also includes hay and bedding and I poo pick the field daily and check the water daily. I also bring clean bedding round to each box daily ( they have new bedding every day)
I don't include catching in however I did so for free over the winter to save the paddocks. I washed legs off if the owners requested. If the horse came in with a minor wound I would administer basic first aid.
If the owners want the horse caught then I charge £7.50 per week on top.
If I attend to the horse with the vet or farrier it's £5 for the first hour and £5 on top for every extra hour.

Can I ask those on part livery.. If your horse is on long term box rest having ad lib hay, new bedding, skipped out two or three times per day and water checked through out day and rugs changed would you be charged any extra?
 
charlie76 said:
I am in Berkshire, I charge £70 for five day part livery, this includes feeding Am, rugs changed,boots on if needed, turn out, muck out, hay nets filled, day nets put in, water changed , evening feeds made up. It also includes hay and bedding and I poo pick the field daily and check the water daily. I also bring clean bedding round to each box daily ( they have new bedding every day)
I don't include catching in however I did so for free over the winter to save the paddocks. I washed legs off if the owners requested. If the horse came in with a minor wound I would administer basic first aid.
If the owners want the horse caught then I charge £7.50 per week on top.
If I attend to the horse with the vet or farrier it's £5 for the first hour and £5 on top for every extra hour.

Can I ask those on part livery.. If your horse is on long term box rest having ad lib hay, new bedding, skipped out two or three times per day and water checked through out day and rugs changed would you be charged any extra?
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This seems very cheap, I charge that for a 14.2 pony and am not in expensive Berks or paying rent, although I do bring in it hardly impacts on my time and as you say it helps preserve the fields, I do provide basic feed but only a nominal amount. At £10 per day to cover box, hay, bedding there is little left over to pay for your time, I was going to put mine up before next winter.
Short term box rest I have not charged extra for, less trudging about in mud, no wet rugs etc so in some ways in winter it is not too bad.

I think it is a difficult one, I had a full livery on box rest for over 3 months this winter, in some ways he cost more but you feel rather guilty asking for extra while the owners are getting vets bills, livery bills and no riding especially if things dont look too good long term. I think you really need to charge enough for all liveries so that the profit is covering the odd one that needs more, for every poor doer there is usually a good doer to make up for it, not everything can be equal.
 
When mine was on box rest I paid extra for extra forage, bought in extra bedding myself, rugs didn't need changing and I skipped out each evening myself too. I changed to DIY.
 
If on a 5 day part livery i would expect feet to be picked out and any minor cuts to be hosed clean with some cream that the owner has provided Applied. IMO your paying for the horse to be well looked after on thise days.. A little cut that gets infected could turn nasty!
Leg hosing daily probably not unless asked for or very, very dirty and any further first aid YO should contact owner and do whats nessacery for horse then and there with costs disscused later.
 
My friend's yard does part livery for £75 per horse per week. This includes haylage, basic feed, thick beds with banks, mucked out twice a day, horses turned in and out, rugs changed, grooming and any basic treatments if needed or holding for farrier, but anything more time consuming, such as hosing for 20 mins twice a day, would be charged extra.
 
How on earth do you make that pay Charlie76? I just can't see how that is sustainable.

In response to your question re extra for box rest - no I don't expect to pay extra, but then my 7 day part livery is substantially more expensive. If I were paying £70 a week then I would expect to pay extra, although I would expect the additional charges to be made clear up front in a contract
 
Horseymumma said:
Just wanted some opinions really, for £80 p/w what would you expect from Part/Full Livery?

Would Hoof Picking and washing muddy legs off be included?

Also if your horse had a small open wound, would you expect it to be at least kept clean and some antiseptic (provided by the owner) applied? Or would you feel you had to go up and do this yourself everyday?
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I think price is irrelevant as I know it differs county to county but I would expects hoof picking to be included in any package as it is basic care IMO. Washing muddy legs is owners preference, I use common sense and if the horses have been hooning and come in covered in liquid mud then I will hose off. If the mud will be dry for rug changes then I'll leave it unless owners have specified.

Small cuts I would tender to. Long term wound management (bandaging etc) I would charge a nominal fee for.

charlie76 said:
I am in Berkshire, I charge £70 for five day part livery, this includes feeding Am, rugs changed,boots on if needed, turn out, muck out, hay nets filled, day nets put in, water changed , evening feeds made up. It also includes hay and bedding and I poo pick the field daily and check the water daily. I also bring clean bedding round to each box daily ( they have new bedding every day)
I don't include catching in however I did so for free over the winter to save the paddocks. I washed legs off if the owners requested. If the horse came in with a minor wound I would administer basic first aid.
If the owners want the horse caught then I charge £7.50 per week on top.
If I attend to the horse with the vet or farrier it's £5 for the first hour and £5 on top for every extra hour.

Can I ask those on part livery.. If your horse is on long term box rest having ad lib hay, new bedding, skipped out two or three times per day and water checked through out day and rugs changed would you be charged any extra?
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I wouldn't call what you're offering part livery as it sounds more like assisted DIY if catching isn't included. Part livery to me is everything bar exercise but I know plenty of yards call it different things. For true part/full then I wouldn't be charging extra for box rest but for your assisted DIY situation I would charge £5/10 pw extra to cover hay and bedding.
 
Thanks for all the replies, I don't think I'm asking too much now :) I shall have a polite word with the YO and hopefully the outcome will be a positive one.
 
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