What would you feed her?

Ahrena

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Okay so I have a pony who I'm (again/still) having problems with. I DONT WANT ADVICE ON HOW TO DEAL WITH IT - she's in the process of being sent away for schooling hwoever thwere isnt a vacancie for a couple of months so meanwhile I want to make sure she's gtetting the right diet as she seems t oget a lot of feed and I cant help but wonder if that makes the issue worse.

ATM she gets dengie chaff (the version with extra stuff in it for weight gain), fibrebeet and spillers slow release energy nuts. Also several supplements including global herbs calmer. I think she gets about a scoop of chaff, half a scoop of fibrebeet and half a scoop of slow release energy nuts twice a day. All that conditioning feed PLUS a field full of a lot of grass has FINALLY meant she's at a weight where I'm happy with her - usually she's too lean for my liking.

Now I'll tell you about her physically, mentally and her work load.

She's 14.3hh, 8 year old welsh cob x hackney.
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(that was when I wasn't entirelly happy with her weight, she's now rounder underneath her belly and on top of her bum but cant find a picture which shows it. She isnt overweight either though, just a good weight now).


She's FULL of adrenaline and very hyperactive - the reason why I dont just cut down her feed and see how she is on nothing is because 2 years ago she used to get almost no food, and we had problems. This was purely us being thick/novicey and assuming that as our other cob could do anything on a handful of feed, so could she. She got very nappy and stopping,
HOWEVER at the same time she was still hyper when i jogged her, like would go off the lightest leg aid, would jog, at pc camp she pulled my arms out and bucked and reared and generally misbehaved all week, so it just didnt occur to us the problem was feed. We spoke to spillers and as soon as we started feeding her their slow release energy nuts she changed.

So due to that napping, I wont just cut down her feed loads because I'm worried that'll happen again.


Her work..She's worked generally 6 days a week, alternates schooling and hacking. Hacking ATM is 1 - 2 hours, occasionally a longer one, occasionally a shorter one. Usually a mix of walk trot canter, once in a while she gets a gallop but not every ride, sometimes we only walk or only walk and trot, I ALWAYS mix up where I canter and change that as she gets very hyper before the start of a possible canter spot (jogs, and in 1 spot she started cantering on the spot sideways). Schooling session sare basic walk trot canter trying to get her to rrelax and behave really, and they dont tend to last for more than 20 mins. One a week or every 2 weeks or so I jump her, again up to about half an hour. She jumps 3 foot 3/ 3 foot 6 and doesn't have a problem at all with that at home.

She then competes sometimes too, once or twice a month really, two classes SJ or 1 class XC, and as its heading to that time of year maybe an ODE or two. She also tends to go to a couple of stay away shows a year hwere she does 2 classes a day for 2 or 3 days. ATM she's got Cricklands derby show coming up where she'll (hopefully!) jump 2 derby classes on both days.


So thats her really. I dont want any help with her problems, PLEASE - I've tried asking online before and it just ends up with tonnes of people giving very helpful advice, but somehow it always ends up conflicting, and by the time I've tried every suggestion, the orginal problem is usaully gone and shes doing something else naughty instead!

However just so you know for the feeding, she is getting nappier and nappier, stopping at fences going away from home then going ballistic when you ask her to jump again (vertical rears touch down then straight up again), and also occasionally does that when hacking out and at home.

HOWEVER I MUST STRESS that is the MINORITY of the time, the rest she's fine, though still very hyper but I'm tempted to think thats just how she is..on the other hand, that might be her diet.
 
Ooh just occured to me to say.
When I rode the south downs way on her (100 miles over 6 days), and she was being hacked out for about 4-6 hours a day, she was incredibly well behaved - very light off the leg, but didn't jog pull or rear. So mayube that was a workload she was happy with.
 
Hiya, firstly napping isn't a feed related issue, it is behavioural. Also the tone of your post seems quite defensive/aggressive which might not get very positive replies- you have been warned
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Personally my first impression was that if your horse is too lively you should massively cut down the sugary feed, up the workload and work on overcoming the napping through schooling... it is the only fail safe option...

In terms of feed I would switch the dengie to Happy hoof as it is approved by the laminitis council, as it is low in sugar and glucose energy. This is better for a lively horse than high energy/oil alfalfa as it has less 'buzzy' ingredients.

Similarly I would take her off the slow energy mix in favour of a pasture mix (which has no additional energy in it, slow release or otherwise) as she doesn't sound like she needs the feed.

I have to admit I am not familiar with fibrebeet but if you really don't think chaff and mix will be enough it may be worth trying barley rings or Allen and Page Calm and Condition, instead of anything with molasses (which I guess fibrebeet does) as I think your horse sounds like she needs a high fibre, low energy feeding routine.

Hope this helps x
 
Sorry - IU'm just getting extremly fed up of being told to sell her/retire her/shoot her ect, dont eman to be defensive but..you gotta get where I'm coming from?

I'm sorry though, this will come out agressive again :P but the napping 2 years ago WAS purely feed related - she was tired and due to her adrenline cover she didn't seem it and napping was how to tell me. How else can it be explained that a week after changing her diet she stopped napping entirely when before she was stopping, rearing, spinning round and trying to run home at every turning, and we changed nothing else?

thanks though, I appreciate your opinion
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mollichaff calmer and a pasture or leisure mix. If feeding additional calmers you should check magnesium levels in the chaff and calmers so you don't give her too much.
 
mollichaff calmer seems to work wonders, not sure if it would suit your horse but maybe worth a try?
also for low energy feed but with sufficent vitamins/minerals etc I would suggest something like baileys lo cal balancer as it provides no extra energy, or similar feed balancers would be just as good. Work is much more important than what you feed though so make sure you're giving her plenty of work and lots and lots of schooling to overcome the napping situation
 
I would check all the different things you are feeding her and cut out anything molassed and go back to a basic fibre diet of something like Happy Hoof which includes all the vits and minerals she would need and speedibeet which is unmolassed. Then after a week or 2 you can slowly start to add anything else one thing at a time to see what works/changes her temprement etc.

I should say my 15h cob exists on 1kg Happy Hoof and 2 pints of speedibeet twice a day - keeps her at the rigth wieght and she is ridden 5/6 times a week, both schooling and hacking - the hacks are sometimes over 3 hours long. The woprst thing she ever had was a pasture mix - was like giving her cocaine or speed - never again!! Mine has restricted access to grass and soaked hay instead due to a laminits attack but yours should be fine with the grass on top.
 
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I'm just concerned about only giving her low energy feed due to the previous napping? (I know that napping ATM isn't due to lack of energy but in 2007 it really was [that or extreme coincidence]).

Mollichaff calmer looks great - I'll swap my dengie chaff for that (as was just told dengie chaff can send mares bonkers as its alf alfa based?)
 
The only thing I can think of that is heating her, is the Alfa A Oil you are feeding her (that is the dengie chaff you are talking about). It can be really heating for some horses because of the oil content. I would probably stay away from dengie if she gets worked up, because Alfa A is mollassed, Alfa A oil isn't mollassed but like I said, it's the oil that will be the problem there.

The fibrebeet shouldn't hurt because it is unmollassed sugarbeet and alfalfa (although actually, alfalfa also disagrees with some horses - I've never known any personally!). The spillers slow release energy nuts - check what cereals are in them as that could be heating her.
 
Ahrena,
It might not necessarily be lack of energy as such, more a case of empty belly. I can't see the picture so don't know what she looks like, and won't say she doesn't need all this feed, especially if she is in a lot of work, but low energy foods that satisfy the horse may be what she was missing, rather than really high energy feeds.
 
I think she just likes to keep you thinking!

I wondered that about the 100 mile ride if she was chilled about it in that sort of work, maybe endurance riding is the way forward. I just watched your recent vid (I didn't realise you had posted!) and sorry to see that she isn't really playing ball atm.

I am assuming that she is the sort that worries her weight off, hence she needs feeding! I would switch the chaff as some people do have issues feeding alfalfa that can send them a bit fizzy. The fibrebeet also contains alfalfa, so I would change this to normal sugar beet or speedi beet. I have always found this excellent for keeping weight on.

The spillers nuts should be fine as they use oil rather than cereals for their energy source, we feed them to our anglo without any problems and can't feed her cereal feeds as she has tyed up once and they are designed for the more fizzy comp horse.

so change the chaff
change the fibre beet
stick with the spillers.

you could change just to bog standard low energy nuts but it depends if you are concerned about her loosing weight. I would also agree with lanky in that I would be tempted to bulk her out with low energy feed stuffs in larger quantities rather than feeding for energy per se. My temptation would be mollichaff calmer, low energy nuts and sugar beet in quite large quantities and perhaps add oil to this yourself slowly to see if that makes a difference. (ie you can then control the amount of oil she is getting and if it starts to make her worse you can spot it)

just my thoughts, take out of it anything useful, I think thats how you have to treat forums.
 
Thanks
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1 concern with swapping fibrebeet to speedibeet (sugarbeet gives my other horse the runs) is that we gave that for a while and I swear it made her nuttier? it might be worth another try though if fibrebeet contains alfafa, then we can defo see if alfafa sends her nutty.

Its defo her worrying/fizzing that burns weight off rather than her not being a good doer, so if she chilled out more I think she'd keep weight on easier too?

thanks all
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Some really useful stuff here.
 
it might not be the alfalfa,

friend had a very nutty mare- fly bucks and leaps not the rears that lacey does and alfa-beet was the one thing that was really good with her! i think its just trial and error.
 
Have you tried simple systems feeds? They do chaffs/soakable feeds etc but have no sugar in them at all. I find the lucie chaff/bix are great as a replacement to the Dengie stuff which is coated in molasses I think.
 
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Thanks
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1 concern with swapping fibrebeet to speedibeet (sugarbeet gives my other horse the runs) is that we gave that for a while and I swear it made her nuttier? it might be worth another try though if fibrebeet contains alfafa, then we can defo see if alfafa sends her nutty.

Its defo her worrying/fizzing that burns weight off rather than her not being a good doer, so if she chilled out more I think she'd keep weight on easier too?

thanks all
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Some really useful stuff here.

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Well speedibeet is straight sugarbeet and fibrebeet is sugarbeet and alfalfa, so I can't see straight sugarbeet doing any harm to a mare that is already on a diet containing sugarbeet mixed with plenty of alfalfa.
 
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