Whatever people say about Parelli, this is great!

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Man lunging with a rope halter and swizzel stick or whatever it's called.

I love the lefty-righty game he plays with the horse, but the quarters-in circles at the end are just amazing. I'm not sold on a lot of the parelli stuff, but this horse is obviously completely tuned in to the handler and having a great time.
 
Really lovely video :) Just goes to show what you can achieve with this stuff if you know what you're doing!
 
There are several brilliant Parelli students studying with PK!! I'd love to see more video of them!!
 
Oh is that what's supposed to happen?! You should see the version of that my horse's previous owner taught him. It basically goes "fire round flat out twice then change direction at the speed of light at the ten o'clock point. Maintain aggressive stance and arm wrenching strength at all times. The point of this "game" is to appear demonic and terrify everyone. If you can break the rope that's a bonus!". Needless to say lunging's off the agenda round our gaff :D It's nice to see what's supposed to happen I suppose.
 
I'm trying to learn "horse speak".

Can someone tell me why the little buck at 0:49??

I'm afraid I'm one of those annoying people who doesn't believe animals just do things for no reason!:)
 
Better ask the horse DR. :-))

What sets this apart from a lot of Parelli circling work is that there has obviously some attention given in training to good carriage and balance. The horse bends around the person, rather than motoring round with the head tipped to the outside of the circle. Also look at the position of the hand he holds his rope in - almost always kept close to his body. He doesn't do that lifting of his hand and arm out to the side to "lead it" and therefore he doesn't put weight on his horse's head or pull the horse in on him. When he asks the horse to move out, or change direction, he puts his focus on the sending the shoulder and barrel away rather than the head. I bet he was thrilled with that "very nice" at the end.
Some of his movements make me wonder if he is a Honza Blaha student. I think Honza has more refinement in Parelli than Pat P, particularly in more recent years. But this horse has more relaxation that I've seen on any Honza vid.
For comparison you can go on You Tube and search for Parelli auditions, bearing in mind that the people who post them generally aren't doing it to show off, but to get their Parelli learning assessed.
p.s. Looked again and do you think that maybe the buck was a response to the increased energy when the guy lowered his head and asked for more? It didn't look an uncomfortable buck. I know my gang sometimes buck when they make a transition in the field, it doesn't always mean much.
 
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I think the buck was exuberance - enjoyment of the play that was happening!! A jump for joy if you like!! Brilliant !!! This was posted in 2010 so I would love to see a current clip of what he is doing - also his fellow PNH/PK student Mikey Wanzenried....both would have to be the top 3 students of PNH with Honza!!
 
It's not just Parelli, looks like he's trained/training with Phillippe Karl too, which is where the schooling appears to have come from. Parelli never invented this stuff, it's all good horsemanship, they just called a lunge whip a carrot stick and charged ££££ for people to learn what anyone learns if you study horses long enough
 
blackandwhite said:
Oh is that what's supposed to happen?! You should see the version of that my horse's previous owner taught him. It basically goes "fire round flat out twice then change direction at the speed of light at the ten o'clock point. Maintain aggressive stance and arm wrenching strength at all times. The point of this "game" is to appear demonic and terrify everyone. If you can break the rope that's a bonus!". Needless to say lunging's off the agenda round our gaff :D It's nice to see what's supposed to happen I suppose.
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This cracked me up! :D
 
Don't see what's amazing about it. Thanks to Richard Maxwell my mare can do things very similar using a schooling whip and a rope halter.

Thanks to that amazing man I have lateral movements, tiny balanced circles, and a horse that really knows what pressure release means.

Now I have spent a lot of work on the ground I need to learn to transfer it into the saddle.

Wish there was more maxwell stuff on you tube.
 
What I am saying is that if you start at the bottom of foundations which from experience take ls a lot of hard work and time the bonus stuff happens quicker.

Anyone can do that if you open your mind
 
Toffee44 said:
Don't see what's amazing about it. Thanks to Richard Maxwell my mare can do things very similar using a schooling whip and a rope halter.

Thanks to that amazing man I have lateral movements, tiny balanced circles, and a horse that really knows what pressure release means.

Now I have spent a lot of work on the ground I need to learn to transfer it into the saddle.

Wish there was more maxwell stuff on you tube.
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I know, i love Max's work as well, he's brilliant, and how lucky am i, im going to an all day clinic next Friday :D:D
 
Toffee44 said:
Don't see what's amazing about it. Thanks to Richard Maxwell my mare can do things very similar using a schooling whip and a rope halter.

Thanks to that amazing man I have lateral movements, tiny balanced circles, and a horse that really knows what pressure release means.

Now I have spent a lot of work on the ground I need to learn to transfer it into the saddle.

Wish there was more maxwell stuff on you tube.
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So... obviously you do some nice stuff as well. If you posted a vid maybe we'd say it was amazing as well. Compared to what you normally see when people lunge, it is quite amazing really isn't it? Why be so negative about a nice bit of horsemanship?
 
Just don't like the branding of it. Good horsemanship is something everyone of us can do. You have to open your mind up though. All I had to do was read a book spend 4hrs with maxwell with my horse and then it's amazing what you can think of.
Suppose what I saw on that video isn't your classic parelli is what I meant. It to me is an understanding horseman. To me parelli is tricks
 
Anyone have any idea how he taught the horse to move his quarters in towards him when he raised the whip? Im just curious, it's a nice video and the horse looked like he was having fun :)
 
tonitot said:
Anyone have any idea how he taught the horse to move his quarters in towards him when he raised the whip? Im just curious, it's a nice video and the horse looked like he was having fun :)
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Yes. Bear in mind that this is all based in what Parelli calls the 7 Games (love it or hate it people, this is what's done..). So the horse is first taught to move away from the stick. And away from the string. Forequarter and hindquarter yields, then sideways. Then you progress to lifting your arm in the air so that you can put the stick (or string maybe if you're short like me) down against the far side of your horse to cue the movement. You just perfect these moves at close range, then build up to being able to cue them up from further away. Sometimes handy for mounting from a block or similar.
I liked the change of direction in canter, which looked the way we were expected to demonstrate it way back when I was doing Parelli Level 2 (the old level). Your horse was supposed to float towards you for the change without a pull on it's head or significant cue from the stick and string. You ran a couple of steps backwards, changing hands/stick underneath the rope, then forwards with a "send" in the opposite direction. Get it right and a lead change happens neatly. I saw this move in some current Level 4 You Tube videos and they wouldn't have been a Level 2 pass in the "old days". All pulling and slapping the string about, very unbalanced. There have always been people who took Parelli training and made it beautiful, normally people who had some useful experience with horses before becoming students.
 
I'm intrigued to hear that there's a few people involved with PK & Parelli? I've been interested in PK's work for a while, but never seen anything relating the two...

I liked this vid though. And again, not a huge parelli fan, but I think this sort of work is now being crossed more & more with 'classical' dressage lines, and really bringing proper groundwork back to the fore - not just tricks, but teaching the horse how to use himself & how to enjoy it, & working with people. So clearly the teachings have something to be open minded about, if not the people who started it & the brand name.
 
Prefer watching PK lunge, to be honest.

In particular, the "dancing" bit looked to me too much like the old cowboy films where they say "dance" while firing bullets at the person's feet. I'd dance too, if someone was flicking a string hard around my legs (or suggesting that they might, if I didn't - the threat is still there even if the horse has now learned to respond before being flicked...)
 
PK seemed to like it didn't he? I wonder if he knows much about Parelli training. Nice that he seems so open to other approaches to horsemanship.
 
Brightbay said:
Prefer watching PK lunge, to be honest.

In particular, the "dancing" bit looked to me too much like the old cowboy films where they say "dance" while firing bullets at the person's feet. I'd dance too, if someone was flicking a string hard around my legs (or suggesting that they might, if I didn't - the threat is still there even if the horse has now learned to respond before being flicked...)
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Ahh, but you don't know for certain that they've done that?
I'm teaching Dan Spanish walk with a whip as an aid for the lift (partially as I don't want my arm in the way!). I have never hit him with it, but now all I have to do is hold it in front of his leg & some times, he gets pretty damn enthusiastic (enough that I'm glad it's the whip, NOT my arm that's that close!). Same goes for if I'm doing his flexions, if I have the whip in hand - I've been riding with it recently due to feeling tired/weak - I sometimes that for his hind end work. Usually all I do is gesture & he moves away. Again, I've never hit him with it, but he knows to move away, through a mixture of clicker and/or pressure-release I guess (I think that's how most people 'in the know' would term it anyway'). I can't imagine it takes much more imagination, if it might take a bit more effort, to teach other such yields, like the side to side movements, which definitely looked partly in play to me, or the quarters in. And at no point would you need to use or suggest force/pain. I shouldn't think. Although of course, some *will*.
 
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