Whats the difference between a coloured cob and a coloured ish ?

[debsflo]

Is there one please. Im looking at horses still and a few look v similar but some are described as cobs others ISH.

I asked about a very smart one and the dealer said he could be classed as a cob if he carried a bit more weight so still wasnt much clearer....

 

[Abi90]

An ISH is an Irish Draught crossed with a TB traditionally but can be a warm blood of any kind these days. Although technically an ISH is a warm blood too.

A cob is by definition: A cob is a small horse, usually of a stout build, with strong bones, large joints, and steady disposition; it is a body type of horse rather than a specific breed.

So technically I suppose an ISH by breeding could be considered a cob by body type... But most then to be a lot finer and more athletic looking. And you can get ISH that are much taller than your average cob.

 

[crabbymare]

about £2000

 

[Regandal]

about £2000

Lol! Very good!

 

[nikkimariet]

A true ISH has papers.

 

[Deltaflyer]

The thing is that many horses get registered as ISH which aren't the traditional TB/ID cross.

Mine is a Connie with a smidge of cob, he's grey and white but he's been registered as an ISH. My previous horse was something Irish with some WB was a very pink bay roan with super paces, the one before that was almost pure TB with a touch of ID probably and was very elegant and the one before that was...I have no idea but had awful conformation but was the sweetest most genuine mare, all very VERY different in looks.

 

[FfionWinnie]

Generally a cob is going to have more hair and general brilliance about it. The owner may keep a chain saw about them to get the hair in check but if you look closely you can always tell.

 

[debsflo]

So if the breeding showed the sire is an ID stallion are they an ISH ? or does the mare have to be tb or warmblood. ?. have seen a few advertised as such but they are all v different. and do you mean separate breed papers ?

 

[only_me]

A cob is a heavier set, smaller horse with lots of bone & happens to be coloured

A coloured ISH is a sports horse, they should have no feather and basically look like a riding horse or hunter type. They will be more sports like & normally be a TB x with something. Technically ISHs are warmbloods as they are hot blood (th) crossed with cold (Irish draught or Connemara). They will have more quality about them & not be as thick set I've one, and he bears absolutely no resemblance to a cob!

There are no set rules on what a ISH looks like or what type they are. They usually just have to be Irish bred & will have green/blue/white passport depending on breeding. A cob can be registered as a ISH but is still of cob type.

ISH is a broad term for any Irish bred horse, there are huge variety of types within - a cob is a type not a breed

 

[Pearlsasinger]

Technically, a coloured (piebald/skewbald) cannot be. ISH, as neither TB nor ID have coloured genes. So somewhere in the history, there must be some traditional cob, as that is where carers the colour comes from.

 

[stormox]

There are many coloured stallions on the HSI register, registered as ISH. Cavalier two for Joy and The Artist for starters.! Any horse with registered ISH parents is an ISH, not just ID/TB crosses.

 

[suffolkmare]

about £2000

I was thinking "about £3000" ! Abi90 gave a great answer though

 

[spacefaer]

If you ask an Irishman, quite often they view a cob as being a non TB, of a size between a pony and a horse - so something 14.2 - 16hh is often described as a cob. Doesn't have to be a round, weight carrier type of the type we understand to be a cob.

 

[Dave's Mam]

As an Irish woman, I would class an ISH as a finer, (but still carrying some clout) build over 15hh. A coloured cob to me is a stocky,heftier type from 13hh - 15hh.

 

[debsflo]

That's what I wondered .seen two out of cavalier 2 for joy. One described as a cob the other Ish hence my confusion.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

There have been coloured tbs, tho, I've seen them posted on here, not so long ago.

A cob is generally a heavier thing, with lots of floof and the ground tends to tremble when they come galloping across the field.

 

[stormox]

Also, a cob is a type, not a breed. You can get Welsh Cobs, Gypsy Cobs, Crossbreed Cobs, etc but an ISH is a breed and registered in the stud book as such.

 

[Pearlsasinger]

There have been coloured tbs, tho, I've seen them posted on here, not so long ago.

A cob is generally a heavier thing, with lots of floof and the ground tends to tremble when they come galloping across the field.

But if you look back into their family tree, there is a coloured non-TB. There was quite a discussion about coloured racehorses on here!

 

[only_me]

That's what I wondered .seen two out of cavalier 2 for joy. One described as a cob the other Ish hence my confusion.

They may be both by the same stallion but the mares probably differed in types. A heavier stocky small mare with C2J could produce a cob whereas a more tb type mare would produce a hunter/riding horse type. Both are still ISH but just different types

Think of it a bit like Labradors - there's a thick, chunky stocky type that is known as a "show" lab whereas the "working" labs are leggy, narrower and a more slender type. A working lab wouldn't place well in a show class and a show lab wouldn't be great in on a hunt! So both are the same breed, but just vary in type

Eg. I've a coloured ISH who is by a coloured ISH out of a tb mare. He is a more of a LW hunter build. My friend, used the same stallion on her part tb and got a much stocker type horse, probably most like a MW hunter.

 

[gunnergundog]

In a word, quality. A well bred sports horse, regardless of nationality, should possess more quality than a well bred cob -again irrespective of nationality.

Both (a cob or sports horse) could be by the same stallion or out of the same mare - it takes two to tango - but a lot depends on the other fifty per cent!