When a horse has been 5 stage vetted. Then there's a problem?

[flowerlady]

This is just a general question for debate.

If after having a (lets say 5 stage vetting) and you buy the horse because it passed. Then a problem arises which you feel should have been picked up in the vetting process.

Do you have any come back on the vet?

I do not have a problem its just I have recently read a few threads where this has happened and no one ever answers this question?

Has anyone had this happen?

If so what was the outcome?

 

[charliecrisps]

I think a vetting can be overcome in certain ways i.e drugged horse with bute, so guess you have no come back on vet. Depends on problem?! Not everything can be picked up during a vetting afterall

 

[lilpinkdonkey4]

A vetting is only ever going to tell you what the vet sees on THAT day, if a problem arises after such as a sarcoid apearing (not related to lower post as obv diferent circumstances) in a random place where there were no signs of them before then surely you have no reason to go back to the vet- vets arnt psycic (sp?)!

I think it totally depends on the case as to whether you can go back to the vet...

 

[flowerlady]

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Depends on problem?! Not everything can be picked up during a vetting afterall

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On a 5 stage vetting don't they do blood tests to check the horse has no dope or bute or any other substances in them?

 

[flowerlady]

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A vetting is only ever going to tell you what the vet sees on THAT day, if a problem arises after such as a sarcoid apearing (not related to lower post as obv diferent circumstances) in a random place where there were no signs of them before then surely you have no reason to go back to the vet- vets arnt psycic (sp?)!

I think it totally depends on the case as to whether you can go back to the vet...

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That's why I asked if anyone had had cause to go back to a vet after and for what reason and what the outcome was.

 

[charliecrisps]

They do take bloods. Not sure what the bloods are for though? I believe you have to actually get a warrenty stating that they hadnt administered any drugs prior to examination... OR pay extra to have it tested for pain killers type drugs.

 

[Mrs_Wishkabibble]

I had a horse vetted and he passed. I had mentioned to the vet at the time that I was unsure about his hind legs as he wasnt happy having his feet lifted for too long and was very unstable. He had a look but said there was no problem and that it was probably as he was young??
Anyway, it turned out he was a very slight shiverer.
The vet came back out, he also had the lab check his bloods incase it was something masked at the time of vetting but found nothing. I had to let the vet from his insurance company assessors take a look at the horse and he confirmed that although it was a very mild case, he was a shiverer non the less. The vets insurance company paid out the full purchase price less £500 meat value and we got to keep the horse.
The vet was very apologetic and we are still friends.
I dont know if things have changed as this was about 8 years ago now.
Hope this helps.

 

[VRIN]

Yes I have ... my horse was 5* vetted and then a problem materialised which (I believe) should have been picked up by the vet. It is INCREDIBLY difficult to prove a case against a vet because they fall back on the 'it didn't appear on the day'. However don't be put off .. you need to claim through the VDS .. it is an incredibly long winded procedure and not very pleasant but if you feel you have a legitimate claim stick with it ...

 

[lachlanandmarcus]

the bloods are taken but as theres an extra cost for analysis usually vet will just keep them unanalysed for a specific period and during them if something 'funny' comes up with the horse you can ring up and pay to have them analysed.

really vetting is to try to find anything on that day so you can pull out! - but if they dont notice it then, theres limited comeback unless they have been negligent (eg if you noticed something and asked them to look closer and they said it was fine when they should have been able to tell it wasnt).

 

[flowerlady]

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They do take bloods. Not sure what the bloods are for though? I believe you have to actually get a warrenty stating that they hadnt administered any drugs prior to examination... OR pay extra to have it tested for pain killers type drugs.

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Thank you I didn't realise that thought a 5 stage vetting covered everything basically

 

[flowerlady]

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The vet was very apologetic and we are still friends.
I dont know if things have changed as this was about 8 years ago now.
Hope this helps.

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Thank you, you're the first person to answer a question I've often thought about when people have had vettings and when there was a problem they have sorted it for you.

 

[charliecrisps]

You would think a 5 stage vetting would guarentee a horse but in a nutshell it doesnt. My horse recently had flexion tests by the vet, for insurance purposes. I did everything to make sure he passed that day.... and im sure at being 18 years old and after a hard days work he wouldnt have really passed at all

 

[flowerlady]

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Yes I have ... my horse was 5* vetted and then a problem materialised which (I believe) should have been picked up by the vet. It is INCREDIBLY difficult to prove a case against a vet because they fall back on the 'it didn't appear on the day'. However don't be put off .. you need to claim through the VDS .. it is an incredibly long winded procedure and not very pleasant but if you feel you have a legitimate claim stick with it ...

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VRIN - Sorry if you misunderstood. I have never had a horse vetted. As I said it was just a question when I've asked before that no one has ever answered.

I still don't know if I'd have a vetting unless the horse was a lot of money. As it seems that you pay a lot for the vetting and if something later comes to light there's not much chance of getting anywhere. But I have learnt a little more info on the 5 stage vetting which I thought was full medical really and all T's crossed and I's dotted. NOT SO APPARENTLY.

SO IS IT WORTH HAVING A VETTING AT ALL? hmmm

 

[Parkranger]

Forget trying to claim against a vet - my boy was 5 stage vetted and then it turned out he was blind. There were things present at the vetting that would have proven that but unfortunately weren't picked up.

It went to small claims and then escalated to fast track so I was effectively bullied out of court due to their 'need' to have an expert witness which, is immaterial, because no one was desputing he was blind during the trial.

So unless you have alot of money, don't bother. Hence the reason I wouldn't have a 5 stage again.

 

[flowerlady]

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I did everything to make sure he passed that day.... and im sure at being 18 years old and after a hard days work he wouldnt have really passed at all

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DID HE PASS?

 

[flowerlady]

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So unless you have alot of money, don't bother. Hence the reason I wouldn't have a 5 stage again.

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PARK RANGER Would you have any vetting??

 

[Parkranger]

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So unless you have alot of money, don't bother. Hence the reason I wouldn't have a 5 stage again.

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PARK RANGER Would you have any vetting??

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I'd prob have heart and lungs checked etc but aside from that I think it's all hit and miss to be honest....call me a cynic!

 

[lucemoose]

Vetting gives you peace of mind albeit on that day only but also gives you a green card for insurance.

 

[Parkranger]

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Vetting gives you peace of mind albeit on that day only but also gives you a green card for insurance.

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But surely if they don't pick up something as basic as a blind horse it's essentially irrelevant?

 

[flowerlady]

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Vetting gives you peace of mind albeit on that day only but also gives you a green card for insurance.

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Do you know I have never been asked by any insurance company for a vetting of any sort.

 

[Parkranger]

under £4000 - £5000 theyusually don't ask

 

[lucemoose]

Sorry PR, was meant as a QR- am totally gobsmacked about the vets failing to spot blindness!
am occupied with a cuppa!

 

[Parkranger]

hee hee - sorry, just makes you cynical!

 

[dieseldog]

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Vetting gives you peace of mind albeit on that day only but also gives you a green card for insurance.

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Do you know I have never been asked by any insurance company for a vetting of any sort.

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I've been asked by every insurance company for a copy of the vetting.

Vettings are useful as they will pick up things that a lay person wouldn't spot. I was going to buy a horse which looked fine to me, nothing wrong with it in my opinion I had it vetted and it failed. I was told if I jumped the horse on a surface it might last 18 months. So if I had bought that horse I would have had about 6 months left now before I would be taking it to Potters.

 

[star]

i am a vet and i've just had my new horse 5 stage vetted. Didn't trust myself to spot a subtle lameness so wanted peace of mind I wasn't missing anything. Vet picked up on the same couple of minor things I'd noticed, but nothing else. I hope he didn't miss anything (or I didn't) because I pick the horse up tomorrow and I dont want another lame one! Oh, and my insurance insisted on at least a 2 stage vetting for a horse over £3000 and i thought if i was paying for a 2 stage, i might as well get a 5 stage.

 

[Zoobie]

Its quite expensive to get the bloods tested. I have always been asked for vet cert by ins comp

 

[FRESHMAN]

It is possible to sue a Vet & I have done so. If at a Vetting something should have been seen & isnt reported to the buyer then you have a case. Also for Zoobie, when a Vet takes Bloods to store & lets say something arises that may have been present at the original Vetting but masked by drugs. The VDS will pay for the blood to be tested. They do this as a 'defence' for a 'possible' claim. It is a bit long winded but definately possible. Including all reasonable costs to keep the animal while the case progresses. Never be frightened of taking on a Professional.

 

[VRIN]

From my experience I would NEVER have a horse vetted again before purchase

 

[LCobby]

We were required to have a vetting for our new one to be insured,

I liken it to an MOT on a car-
it may be fit for purpose one day, and break the next
But at least you have somen else check it out

Blood samples kept for 6 months, inc ase they need to be analysed- sedatives, NSAIDS etc.

Amazed at the blind one- was it one eye, - usually in riding or handling, blindness even on one side will show up.

 

[JanetGeorge]

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They do take bloods. Not sure what the bloods are for though? I believe you have to actually get a warrenty stating that they hadnt administered any drugs prior to examination... OR pay extra to have it tested for pain killers type drugs.

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Blood samples are frozen, I believe, to preserve them. They can then be thawed and tested if a problem shows up - say a quiet horse becomes a nutter a couple of days after you get it home (suggesting it was doped) or a sound horse goes lame (again within a few days when painkillers wear off.) So if a problem appears that MIGHT suggest the horse had been given painkillers prior to vetting, speak to the vet immediately!