when people rip off the potental buyer! RANT!

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Livery at our yard poor thing, just recently brought a Welsh section D (good breeding) ,14.2hh, and 6 years old. For £3500, woman had the horse for about 5 days. This horse was only only recently broken to ride, womans previous horse was a perfect cob, who is very willing, so going from that sort of horse to a 6 year old like an un exploded bomb is quite a difference!
The saddle fitter out yesterday so my mom tried him with the saddle first to see what the saddle is like and what the horse is like(first time being ridden since new at yard) my mom is only light around 8st so horse is fine with the weight!,she walked and trotted him around, and his schooling was awful! But then the horse owner actually decided to get on him, she was a nervous wreck! And bear in mind she is around 13st.. As soon as she sat on him he had a full on rodeo buck, and bucked her off, equalling in her fracturing her pelvis!
It really bugs me how the old owners didn't say no to her having him! She has only come back into riding for 12 months and is a nervous wreck anyway, and is quite big in size.. And for £3500 that's ridiculous!
Sorry for the rant but does anyone agree, that horse owners these days think that there horses are worth more than they actually are?
 
To be honest, I think that the lady who brought the horse should have taken some expert advice, in which case she probably wouldn't have brought him. Your post makes me wonder if she even rode him. I think this is more her responsibility than the previous owner's, although it's a shame they didn't realise she wasn't a suitable match and refuse to sell him.
What a nasty experience for her, I hope she makes a good recovery.
What happens to the horse now?
 
^^^ I do agree with that she is on of those sort of people to not really take advice from others and just go down her own path.. Saddle woman who was there was completly blunt who told her she is to big for the young pony due to the fact he still has suttle bones! He is going back thankfully!
 
Though I feel sorry for the lady who sadly fractured her pelvis, she is far too heavy for a 14.2hh 6 year old IMO and she should really have known that (or someone advised her of it). Being a novice would have made her feel even heavier and quite a shock for the horse after having an eight stone rider on him.

Without knowing the full facts I cannot comment on the value of this pony, though £3500 does seem very steep. But I can't really blame the seller for trying to get the best price possible unless there is a problem with the horse that they were aware of.
 
Whilst the buyer should probably have sought better advice, I wouldn't have sold my 6 yo recently backed horse to her so I think the seller was probably not that concerned for the horse they were selling and were more interested in getting the money. I personally wouldn't sell either of my horses to someone who was clearly on the heavy side of what they could manage and wasn't really competent enough to deal with them. Sellers may not have any responsibility towards the buyer but they certainly do towards the animal they are selling.
 
I can't see how you can say the seller has ripped off a potential buyer. For one thing, its not a potential but an actual buyer. If theres been no misrepresentation, then its caveat emptor - let the buyer beware. The buyer is presumably a cogniscant adult who is capable of making her own decisions over what she can and cannot buy. Is this yet another example of someone buying an unsuitable horse and then blaming everyone but themselves?
 
Here you have a young, green pony in a new saddle. Under an 8 stone rider the saddle would not have exerted as much pressure as it would when a large unbalanced novice hopped on. Bit of a shock for the poor lad! There's your problem right there, another saddle with more weight bearing to suit heavier rider may have saved him being returned.
 
It is as always, a case of buyer beware. This doesn't only apply to horses.

The owners obviously wanted the sale, as they are now willing to take the pony back (prob to fend off pending courts/suing etc) and having been in the position recently of selling a rather saintly 5 year old I can appreciate their predicament.

I could have sold my boy in 2 weeks but had a bunch of unsuitable triers (2 of which wanted to buy but I turned them down) I have now sold him to the perfect owner and he is staying with me to further his education and start evening next season. His new owner is being very good and planning a winter of flatwork lessons (she has previously shown and evented) to get back in the swing of it. She is aiming for a County Show next May with him and the Autumn Horse Trials - good plan!

I get really cross when people think they can do things way out of the realms of reason. Horses are dangerous machines when used/treated incorrectly. There is nothing wrong what so ever with asking for advice from an experienced person. This saves time, money and heartache in the longrun. No matter how much you know, or how experienced you are, someone will always know more, so take the help.

Having spent some (awful) time at livery yards over the years I'm always amazed at this certain group of people that exist in the horse word, middle aged, slightly round (don't shoot me as i'm both of the fore mentioned!!), normally own an ex racer or something unsuitable, who spend an age at your stable door talking about their woes, normally ends in tears before they dash off to collect the brats from school.

The moral is a little advice goes a long way - take it and enjoy a happy relationship with your horse - life is too short!

Hope OP's friend mends soon and finds a nice middle aged cob and has years of enjoyment :)
 
Sorry but I have to agree, it's bit ridiculous to blame this one on the sellers! If the sellers had lied or misrepresented the horse fair enough, but I don't think sellers have an obligation to make sure buyers are not over-estimating their own abilities. Presumably the owner rode the horse before purchase and satisfied herself that she could deal with a newly broken youngster, so her idiocy, her fault I am afraid.
 
Has the cob only just been broken and lightly ridden or was it supposed to have been schooled on (as in basic flatwork established) if so it could just be a case of be a combination of being tad fresh, new enviroment, nervous rider and a saddle that is not fitting correctly and the poor owner taking an unlucky fall which has caused her to land awkwardly and walk away with a not very pleasant injury, doesn't really mean it reflects on the value of the horse.

As for buying a youngster and your friends riding ability, well that's not for me to pass judgement on as don't them, that's another debate :), I'm just trying to point out that a horse can still be worth it's value purely due to what you see before you and it's breeding or possible showing future (for example) even if they are a bit naughty to begin with.

Hope she gets better soon. :)
 
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