When you BE at so & so level......What do you BSJA???

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So just wondered what level people are at BE and then what level you BSJA at in the Winter?

I know that for Intro you should prob be BN and PN - Disc and Novice - Newcomers.

But what do you actually do? And what about the opens i.e 1.05cms, 1.10cms, 1.15cms opens etc.....

Forgot to add what I do! Spider Intros/PN (not very well
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!) And I BN and Discivery her as SJ is her strength. And Dexter PN and I hope to Nov/IN next year so im jumping Discovery/1.05 & 1.10
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Novice, do Disco and Newcomers or 1.10 or 1.15, whichever is on. or Fox if i was feeling very brave!
Intermediate - do Newcomers, 1.10, ditto about Fox if it wasn't absolutely enormous...
Advanced - Newcomers as a warm-up and force myself to do Fox...
you may have guessed that sj is not my favourite thing.
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Will do whatever I fancy.
ATM with Snoop he does BN and will step up to Disc next time out.
Addington build them up to height and its a course of 14+ fences. I remember doing the discovery on winston and the planks were up to my chest (1.20m
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Will do whatever I fancy.
ATM with Snoop he does BN and will step up to Disc next time out.
Addington build them up to height and its a course of 14+ fences. I remember doing the discovery on winston and the planks were up to my chest (1.20m
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Yes thats the same about Norton Heath, they always build big but am hoping it will be a bit smaller being inside!
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And a 1.05 shouldnt **in theory** look a lot different to the bigger fences on a PN course really
 
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Will do whatever I fancy.
ATM with Snoop he does BN and will step up to Disc next time out.
Addington build them up to height and its a course of 14+ fences. I remember doing the discovery on winston and the planks were up to my chest (1.20m
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Yes thats the same about Norton Heath, they always build big but am hoping it will be a bit smaller being inside!
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I wish you well !

The biggest '1.20m' I have EVER jumped was indoors at NH. The final fence in the first round was a good 1.30m and the double at number 3 was at least 1.25m
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Suffice to say I didn't get round
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I'm doing Novice BE and I BSJA anything from Disco up to 1.10 open. I prefer to do a 1.05 then a 1.10, but am trying to get brave and go straight into 1.10s by the end of the winter! If we improve enought his winter I'll start having a crack at 1.15 courses too, though probably not till we start outside again!

I don't bother with BN as my horse makes no effort at all over them and dangles his feet, and is actually a hell of a lot easier to rider round a 1.10 than a disco!
 
I'm such a chicken at BSJA!

Novice BE looks OK (big, but do-able), BSJA Newcomers seems HUGE!

I'm sure Discovery is much harder than PN and British Novice is definitely miles more difficult than Intro.

I seem to loose my bottle totally when I jump on a surface (we only have a grass field at home - I am quite brave there but the fences look much smaller).
 
SM I completely agree - BSJA is much bigger and more technical than BE, but the best thing I ever did was a 1.10 open before going Novice - killed my nerves entirely as we only had 2 down in the 1.10 and the BE looked tiny and easy in comparison! Just meant I was tense rather than panicked at the BE event!
 
I'm a wimp too!!! I PN event and don't have a problem with that, tend to do BN at BSJA and have survived one disco so far
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. I tend to take the attitude of 'he jumped well in the BN and the JO was prob disco height, so lets go home and not hang around for the disco!!!'.....such a scaredy cat
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My aim this winter tho is to jump double clears (fingers crossed) at disco, feeling bit braver after a few good PN runs!!!
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With Moon in prep for novices I jumped newcomers and 1.15 opens
When Boss was intermediate I'd do the same tbh- fox is just a bit too big for my liking!! I did jump a fox once but it didnt go that well!
 
I do NOV/IN/INT on my girl so usually do 1.10 open class then newcomers, although the 1.10 bsja tracks seem alot bigger than B.E Nov! so I think you'll set yourself up nicely my bsja'ing as the tracks are usually upto height and alot more technical than B.E. Trouble is B.E sj tracks seem to really vary in height and technicallity at least BSJA is consistantly scarey!!(oh and don't forget the water trays at bsja! I dont think Ive ever jumped one at a B.E?!)
 
haha glad Im not the only one who finds BSJA more scary than BE !

I'd go on the theory of Intro/PN - BN and Discovery Novice/Int/Adv - Newcomers upwards. BE is defnitely less consistant than BSJA.

Its probably the best preparation for BE but I just wish I could afford both memberships!!
 
When I used to event and BSJA, I would start off with BN and Discovery for Pre-Novice, but would find myself doing Newcomers by the end of the winter if it wasn't huge! For Novice BE, definitely wanted to be jumping a decent discovery and newcomers confidently. Did do the odd Foxhunter but only if it wasn't massive!

Did also depend where you went - I used to go to Markfield a lot where it could be huge (did a jump off for discovery there and then they put the fences down for the newcomers - and even then it was a very big newcomers course
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)!! Also did a lot of Arena UK where it seemed a bit smaller but it could be that they seemed to use more poles rather than loads of fillers etc (was back early to mid 90's so imagine things may well have changed since then!).

However I agree that BSJA seemed more scary - is it because you actually get to walk the course and could see how big it was??? I did 5 seasons for Eventing, I reckon I only actually walked the SJ course about twice!!!
 
I am currently running Novice BE (with the occassional Intermediate). Last winter I mainly did 1.10m Amateur followed by Newcomers as these were the last 2 classes at Royal Leisure of a weekend. Did go once mid-week to do a Fox but that means time off work.
Not sure I'm going to jump as much indoors this year as the confined space tends to make my mare more fizzy.
 
did P.N this season with the aim of goin novice early next season so am plannig 2 do lots of BSJA at disco and newcomers as sj is deffinatly our worst face we need lots of practice!!
 
I do Discovery at the moment and then did two intros.

Badger found the huge technical courses at i intro far too difficult - resulting in an 8 faults and a 4 faults!
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So I'm not sure that lots of BSJA helps a great deal BE, not in my case anyway!
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I think what you need to remember is that with BE you jump one round with only a couple of fences at the maximum height whereas with BSJA you are potentially jumping two rounds...the first of which will have the majority of fences at the maximum height followed by a jump-off where they will ivariably be raised another 10cms.

So, if your Novice BE SJ'ing is 1.15m it's probably more like 1.05m/1.10m with the odd fence at 1.15m whereas a NC's JO will be 1.20m a lot of the way round
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I don't do a lot in the winter generally due to lack of decent local venues. Sarnita is doing Intermediate and in summer jumps Fox / 1.25 in winter those I go to she will probably jump 1.15 / 1.20s.
 
Well before Hattie was introing i had jump consistently at BN all winter and had jumped in two discoveries, winning one of them (she managed to jump herself out of BN at the end of January). However SJ is her strength - it was XC which was the problem which is why she was at intro. Now is confident at PN and hopefully will Novice at some point next year i hope to do discovery/1m opens/1.05opens and then by the end of the winter jump in some newcomers/1.10opens.
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Also occasionally jump her in 90cm and 1m amateur championships
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Royal Leisure always builds HUGE (well it seems it!) so i feel comfortable jumping anything anywhere else after a winter jumping there!!
 
Haha, you crazy event people! Scared of a 1.20 coloured fence which will fall down if you hit it, but you are all happy to jump ridiculously big solid jumps, scary corners and open ditches on the xc. You don't like tiny water mats and trays, yet you are happy to drop from great height into water! Crazy, that's what it is! ;-)))
 
Quite right Rambo re the max heights. However I find BSJA spreads rather weedy after the ones they build BE - they are allowed to be at least 20cms wider round a Novice track than a NC.

Liberty (started eventing this year, went Novice mid-season)will be doing some BSJA this winter, he's a bit of a big lad to be getting round Patchetts 60x20 indoor, but I'll be expecting him to do a few Fox's before the winter's over. The height is absolutely no bother on him, it's just getting all of him round the corners to the fences! William (been Novice all year, done two IN's) will not BSJA indoors as it messed with his head warming up indoors in such a crowd last year, and he doesn't particularly need it. If we an fit in a few outdoor outings before next years season I would expect him to do at least NC and Fox. With my good advanced horse F I jumped Fox's and 125's when I could find them. I jumped a few 130 classes on him in Belgium before we moved here too - that was fun! I don't think I'd be happy riding a horse round an advanced xc unless I was happy riding it round a 130 track really (not necessarily indoors).
 
As a showjumper who is also a BE trainer said to me - if you're jumping newcomers confidently then intermediate is no problem.

BSJA do every fence max height and width whereas BE only have to have 2 at that and the first 2 have to be "inviting".

My horse is novice/ready to go int and I jump newc/1.10opens and 1.15m.
 
Yes but the majority of a course isn't as imposing as a big built newcomers. And obviously a newcomers jump off is bigger too..... If you walked say the Int SJ at Aldon last weekend it was no bigger than the last newcomers i jumped at Weston Lawns because overall BE is much less imposing.
 
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But Newcomers is 1.10 and Intermediate BE is 1.20 to 1.25??

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Newcomers can be a full up 1.20m assuming you make the JO. Intermediate is more likely to be a 1.15m to 1.20m with a couple of individual fences at 1.25m. You wouldn't recognise a BSJA 1.25m track if you compared it to a BE Intermediate
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Put it this way. PF jumps Ensign in Foxhunters......and 4* BE
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Noodlejaffa - You think just like me!! I thought I was the only one to think show jumps are somehow scarier than XC jumps! Does seem a stupid way to think though considering if you fall off, I know which one would hurt more... We must be weird!
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Ive been quite shocked by BE SJ courses, they are tiny and far easier than BSJA. I personally think they should be harder and more up to height because I dont think its enough of a test. It's too much of a dressage competition otherwise
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