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and a neutered male has a go at your (very unmacho ie Fitz) unneutered dog and the other owner says unneutered dogs shouldnt be allowed at class over a certain age! no harm done but its her dog that apparently has a problem with all unneutered dogs.
 
Lol. Only one of the dogs I train with is neutered and it is a female. My old dog was neutered and that was seen as highly unusual. He used to sound off at most other dogs for a while. My problem, no one else's.
 
what !!
we have all sorts at our club,some done,some not,big,small,dogs and bitches.
each owner is responsible for their own dogs behaviour.
sounds like that owner is passing her naughty dog problem over and saying it is some1 elses fault.
tut
 
I thought her reaction was amusing really, talk about deflection. I think she was miffed as the trainer made her put him on a line after that. Thing is if she knows that but doesnt know the rest of the dogs in the class why the heck wasnt he on a lead before! as I said, no harm done-he didnt get close enough to overtly worry Fitz luckily, let alone do anything else.
 
It can be a sign of dominance, and if she is defending him to the hilt he may have an inflated sense of his own importance (i.e. spoilt and never had boundaries enforced :( ). That said, it is up to the trainer to understand that kind of stuff and teach her how to control him
 
JillA said:
That said, it is up to the trainer to understand that kind of stuff and teach her how to control him
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I think in the context of this class, the owner should have the dog on the lead and keep him away from the others-which is what the trainer made her do. Its not an oebdience or a socialisation class.
 
When I started training there were 3 entire males and an entire female (who was a complete tart). There is a socialisation session at the end where all are let off together. There was a bit of a spat one week between my dog and another one of the males there. It was a who has the biggest balls moment as both were 8 months and the tart was all over them, I put my dog on a lead and we reintroduced them the next week. No problems!

There was no issue between me, the other owner or the trainer they were just adolescent males asserting their dominance.

Half way through the course I had my lad neutered as it was his time. This was a course of training and was small class. I joined the adult class last week with 10 dogs, male, female, entire and neutered, there was no problems at all. Sounds like her dog is either a dominant or a fearful type. I don't think it makes that much of difference neutered or not.

It's your trainers decision to decide who attends the classes not this other owner. Ignore it
 
I wouldn't want to attend a class with dogs allowed to mooch about off-lead and off-task whether they were neutered or not, everyone should be on a lead between exercises.

FWIW I've an entire male that's completely sociable and non-reactive to anyone or anything, it's the neutered bitch you have to watch out for. :p
 
MotherOfChickens said:
and a neutered male has a go at your (very unmacho ie Fitz) unneutered dog and the other owner says unneutered dogs shouldnt be allowed at class over a certain age! no harm done but its her dog that apparently has a problem with all unneutered dogs.
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I have heard this alot...I stopped going to "village hall" style training classes as my dog was becoming silly over the constant food bribery! I found a good gundog trainer instead and the difference in myself and my young lad is amazing! I too got fed up with the attitude that it's my dogs fault for being entire, erm no it's not...and nor am I going to neuter him unless he has a behavouiral problem - he doesn't or needs them off for medical reasons. They were really pushing me to have him done saying he'll get attacked etc....

I feel some training classes cram too many dogs into a class too, which then leads to issues when a dog feels threatened...the gundog classes are structured, focused on manners and calmness and not overcrowded, we've had all breeds turn up too not just gundogs! I was so proud of the moment my lad did a long retrieve past the rest of the class and was totally focused on me and the dummy and was calm relaxed and steady until sent out for his "bird"

Oh.....and the first thing the gundog trainer said - "don't you go neutering that"!!!
 
blackcob said:
I wouldn't want to attend a class with dogs allowed to mooch about off-lead and off-task whether they were neutered or not, everyone should be on a lead between exercises.
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well the dogs were at opposite sides of the hall, the other dog did have a lead on, she just didnt have hold of it while she was doing the exercise she was doing-probably unbeknown to the trainer as she was helping someone else. it realised my dog was entire and shot across growling-he didnt get very far as trainer stepped on lead. lets not make this about the trainer please, I posted as a comment on the deflection the dog's owner used.
 
maisie06 said:
I have heard this alot...I stopped going to "village hall" style training classes as my dog was becoming silly over the constant food bribery! I found a good gundog trainer instead and the difference in myself and my young lad is amazing! I too got fed up with the attitude that it's my dogs fault for being entire, erm no it's not...and nor am I going to neuter him unless he has a behavouiral problem - he doesn't or needs them off for medical reasons. They were really pushing me to have him done saying he'll get attacked etc....

I feel some training classes cram too many dogs into a class too, which then leads to issues when a dog feels threatened...the gundog classes are structured, focused on manners and calmness and not overcrowded, we've had all breeds turn up too not just gundogs! I was so proud of the moment my lad did a long retrieve past the rest of the class and was totally focused on me and the dummy and was calm relaxed and steady until sent out for his "bird"

Oh.....and the first thing the gundog trainer said - "don't you go neutering that"!!!
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ok, there were 5 dogs in the class in a large hall. I am glad youve found a trainer you like, I like my trainer and have been using her for nearly a year now. noone suggested I get him neutered other than this daft woman!
 
MotherOfChickens said:
well the dogs were at opposite sides of the hall, the other dog did have a lead on, she just didnt have hold of it while she was doing the exercise she was doing-probably unbeknown to the trainer as she was helping someone else. it realised my dog was entire and shot across growling-he didnt get very far as trainer stepped on lead. lets not make this about the trainer please, I posted as a comment on the deflection the dog's owner used.
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It must be incredibly aggressive to set out across the hall after Fitz. (Not disagreeing with what happened but if it is that bad why on earth can she let it off the lead!). Does it really ignore neutered males even at a distance? How on earth can it tell!?
I am so lucky in that we tend to only meet groups of dogs out shooting, and apart from the random sex pest labrador dog (there is always one, usually owned by a sex pest man), they are all so good natured. They get turfed in each others vehicles, nearly all are entire, and never a cross word.
 
Off topic but socialisation for me isn't about letting dogs have a free for all off the lead. Causes more problems than it solves in a lot of cases.

Accidents do happen and dogs do get away from handlers. Personally I'd be contrite rather than blaming someone else/their dog.
 
Clodagh said:
It must be incredibly aggressive to set out across the hall after Fitz. (Not disagreeing with what happened but if it is that bad why on earth can she let it off the lead!). Does it really ignore neutered males even at a distance? How on earth can it tell!?
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ha, I dunno-once it had twigged though it did growl/bark in his direction a few times, there were other neutered males there that he didnt react to. he apparently went after a male WH Vizla at a park last weekend (info that she volunteered!). I've no problem with more reactive dogs being at these things (canicross is very good for reactive dogs apparently and we meet a few like this there) as long as owners are sensible and others are forewarned.

I always thought unneutered males were more apt to pick on neutered males (if they were to pick on anything) and I've known of dogs that will purely start on anything bigger than them but this was a big lab who was certainly more solid than Fitz.

agreed CC about the socialisation free for alls. I had a bad experience with a bulldog (which was 18 months old) and Quarrie (12 weeks) at a puppy socialisation class (not this trainer but one run by a gun dog trainer.) Took some training to get him back on track with barky, pushy dogs after that. I didnt go back for the subsequent classes! they did have too many in one hall-you could hardly move.
 
i dont think a free-for-all is a good idea indoors, (if at all as it is very exiting)
my friend has a lurcher and they go off for jollies but it is in an enclosed field with plenty of space and introductions take place in a controlled manner.
 
Annoying that it happened, but sounds "accidental" (although if the other dog's owner knows her dog is pita with other dogs she should have been doubly sure to keep a hold of his lead!). Glad no actual contact was made and that Fitz wasn't unduly bothered. The comment about neutering though was completely out of order. Her dog is the problem not yours - and I hope you told her so! :P
 
Clodagh said:
I am so lucky in that we tend to only meet groups of dogs out shooting, and apart from the random sex pest labrador dog (there is always one, usually owned by a sex pest man)
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LOL! All i would add to this whole thread is that some humans need neutered! :-)
 
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