Where to look for Ferro youngstock?

[Governor]

Is new progeny starting to get really sparse?

Thinking very ahead but i'd really like to have a look at some and its looking pretty impossible. Any ideas? Continental holiday?

 

[zoeshiloh]

The trouble is his progeny have got a bad reputation for being pretty un-rideable (not in the sense that they get you off, but they are just so unwilling) so he has gone out of favour somewhat.

Try typing ferro and youngstock into Google, see what comes up.

 

[Anastasia]

Ferro stock are sometimes like Jazz stock, in that they can sometimes be "hot"...., but would not class them as [ QUOTE ]
un-rideable

[/ QUOTE ] I would also not agree in the fact that his stock have [ QUOTE ]
gone out of favour

[/ QUOTE ] as his sons are some of the most popular dressage sires in Holland.

Rousseau and Rhodium both Ferro sons are two of the most popular dressage sires in Holland, both getting good marks for rideability at their Stallion Test, and in fact Rousseau stock are going for very high sums in Germany. Rousseau has also produced the last two years Champion Dressage Stallion in Holland in Den Bosch.

There are also the other popular sons of Ferro still standing in Holland - Kennedy, Metall, Negro, Paddox, Pyriet and Osmium.

The liklihood of finding a good Ferro offspring now is slim to nil really. My advice to you would be to go for offspring of one of his sons.

 

[Wisnette]

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The trouble is his progeny have got a bad reputation for being pretty un-rideable (not in the sense that they get you off, but they are just so unwilling) so he has gone out of favour somewhat.

Try typing ferro and youngstock into Google, see what comes up.

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He most definately hasn't fallen out of favour - the only problem with him is he's dead! His sons and grandsons are enormously popular. Think Rousseau, Rhodium, Special D and the newly approved Ampere who was decribed as the best stallion in years at his performance test.

Try this website: Sporthorses for sale

You can put in Ferro in the box at the top right and it will bring out all horses for sale with him in their pedigree.

 

[Partoow]

Totally agree with you there Anastasia, as you know i have a graded son of ferro that i bought as a foal from ferros's second season at stud. I trained and took him to international Small tour competed at the stallion championships in the Netherlands coming 3rd behind oo7 .
My stallion has always been lovely to train and so are the 3 generations i have at home!!All from differing Ferro sons and grandsons.
You only have to look at the sires list in this years olympics and 2 are by Ferro!! The only other stallion that is represented by two young stock is Donnerhall...
I have found tht difficult ferros are more the product of the people. They are bright and sensative........unlike some riders!!!
If you want Ferro then go for a grandson this can give you a more modern 'model' as ferro offspring [sons] can be a little on the chunky side.

 

[zoeshiloh]

It's interesting the points you have all made, and I will certainly take them on board. I know that among the riders I speak to, many of who ride at top level dressage, and a couple that compete at international level, really do not like Ferro at all. Personally I would never have anything to do with Ferro progeny, but that is just my opinion I guess. Like everything, it depends who you ask on the matter.

 

[volatis]

there are always top producing stallions that people dont like. I always hear some people say Weltmeyer offspring are hot. The one I had was a total pussycat, best horse I ever sat on. The other one I rode had a great mind too.
And yet he has horses at the highest level (like Warum Nicht for example)

People say Jazz offspring are hot and they wont touch them, yet there are still plenty out there competing. I like Ferro personally, and infact I love the fact he is in Goshka Ringo's pedigree (damsire) as we've got his blood in our herd

 

[markvannunen]

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You only have to look at the sires list in this years olympics and 2 are by Ferro!! The only other stallion that is represented by two young stock is Donnerhall...


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Actually there are 3 sons on the Olympic Games.
Prestige with Jorge Domingo, Mythilus with Courtney King and Realist with Carlos Lopez.

Try the former AI center of Ferro for youngstock. www.hhgebrvanmanen.com

 

[cruiseline]

There is also a Ferro son in the Olympics, showjumping, although I was really not impressed, it notched up a cricket score!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps he is a better dressage producer.

 

[classic_astra]

i have just put my mare to ferro lines.

the stallion zesiro, is by paddox, who is by ferro, so i shall let you know!

 

[TarrSteps]

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There is also a Ferro son in the Olympics, showjumping, although I was really not impressed, it notched up a cricket score!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps he is a better dressage producer.

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The reverse of Special Ed, who had another name and is actually by Argentinus. Apparently he was "rescued" from a dressage home where he was not enjoying or excelling at the job . . . big shock!

Of course breeding is only a tiny part of the production process but with the margins so fine these days you do wonder why people persist in the face of contrary evidence . . .

I think it's really hard to get unbiased thoughts on progeny from elite riders, quite frankly. They tend to get their ideas and then perpetuate them by biased experience. I took a young dressage-bred horse to a clinic and the first thing the trainer said was, "He looks quite sane for a so and so." Gee, thanks. Mind already made up then?

Also, some people and programs favour certain horses so they tend to buy what they think will suit and/or try to train everything the same. Certainly aspects of temperament are heritable so it stands to reason that certain horses IN GENERAL do better with certain approaches - but you're not going to find too many mid-level trainers who blame their inability to adapt for a horse's failure! Then there is the "horses for courses" idea - not everyone's ideas of "suitable" are the same!

So many people seem to judge on TINY samples. "I've ridden two such and such offspring and they're "all" bonkers/wonderful/man eaters/kids' ponies." Not too many people ride the breadth of young horses to be able to form a very valid opinion. Also, an amazing number of people judge from very related offspring, also from related mare lines . . . maybe it's the mother with the crazy genes?

 

[htobago]

Interesting thread!

This happens in the Arab/showing world as well. Last year, a breeder asked to send a great-grand-daughter of Bey Shah to my stallion Tobago, who is also a great-grandson of Bey Shah. Several people told me I shouldn't accept this mare, as Bey Shah is known to be 'hot' and to produce 'hot' offspring, so doubling-up on Bey Shah (especially as my boy is himself quite 'hot') would be asking for trouble.

I dutifully warned the breeder about this 'Bey Shah factor', but she insisted that she wanted to breed a show horse with lots of presence and sparkle (for which Bey Shah progeny are also famous), and that she was happy to take the risk of a 'hot' baby.

The critics tutted and humphed, but we went ahead with the breeding. The result was Poseidon, who has just won the British National Champion Foal title at the Arab show.

I'm not saying the critics were wrong, but surely sometimes 'hot' bloodlines can be a good thing - in a top-level dressage horse, say, or a flamboyant in-hand show horse? Providing this is tempered/chanelled by expert handling and training, of course?

 

[the watcher]

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I'm not saying the critics were wrong, but surely sometimes 'hot' bloodlines can be a good thing - in a top-level dressage horse, say, or a flamboyant in-hand show horse? Providing this is tempered/chanelled by expert handling and training, of course?

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I don't know anything about Ferro but would certainly agree with this, my first show pony had a very liberal sprinkling of Bwlch Valentino on both sides of the pedigree - a popular choice as an 'improver' but too much could result in a 'hot' pony. She was certainly that but fabulous in the showring, even in her older years