Archie73
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I was trying to get the article. Any hance of a pm of the link please. IMO research is something people are doing and telling others about. Call it anecdotal or call it experience.
Where's the shoe research post gone???
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Goldenstar
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Me too thought I was going nuts.
cptrayes
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I had it pulled because I was wrong about it being peer reviewed. It is simply a discussion document, but very interesting. It's here:
http://www.healthehoof.com/bone_remodeling_equine_limb.html
http://www.healthehoof.com/bone_remodeling_equine_limb.html
rhino
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cptrayes had said she wanted it deleted as it was in fact not peer reviewed or published anywhere except on the net. I'm sure she would pm it to you if she doesn't repost 
Archie73
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Thank you CPT !!
shortstuff99
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I didn't mean to sound judgemental about it, but am always leery of non peer-reviewed work! BUT I did find it interesting reading and think it is worth a read.
cptrayes
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I am just praying for the day we do get this stuff properly researched. Dr Bob Bowker has shown that the lateral cartilages in shod horses are, in general, much smaller than those in unshod horses and also lack a spiral capillary blood supply. But I don't think he's had that peer reviewed either, so it's all "just" anecdotal.
If only there was a product that they could sell on the back of leaving the shoes off horses, the research would be there. The world is a cockeyed place at the moment, the way it is driven by money from top to bottom
JFTDWS
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In fairness, cptrayes, lots of non-product related research is performed - funded by welfare charities etc. Yes it is often low quality (e.g. the rollkur studies in horses) but it is funded, performed and published in peer reviewed journals when the data is of sufficient quality.
cptrayes
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Well to be honest it's another thing that I am angry with the Worshipful Company of Farriers about. They should be funding this research and they are the only ones with the money to do it. But they continue to teach their apprentices to nail steel to the feet of every horse whose owner asks them to, without any concern whatsoever for what that is actually doing to the horses feet. We have MRI now, they wouldn't even have to kill any horses and dissect them.
I must buy a Euro lottery ticket and get it done with my winnings!
Seriously, I'd be quite happy to commission and manage this research unpaid, but I think I'd need about £250,000 to take 100 working shod and 100 matched working unshod horses and have them MRId for lateral cartilage size and bone remodelling.
Does anyone know where I can apply for funds like that?
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shortstuff99
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Maybe I will do some research into it when I'm done with mosquitoes! At least they would be friendlier lol
lol
rhino
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Maybe I will do some research into it when I'm done with mosquitoes! At least they would be friendlier
Most of my published & peer reviewed research is about 'smelling' badger blood so I agree that it would be a far more interesting subject
JFTDWS
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Most of my published & peer reviewed research is about 'smelling' badger blood so I agree that it would be a far more interesting subject
and mine's about cholesterol degradation by TB. Anything would be more interesting than that
eta - that's TB as in tuberculosis, not thoroughbreds
shortstuff99
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Ooh what were you looking for?
shortstuff99
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I also have done work with cactus bugs! They were cool
cptrayes
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Most of my published & peer reviewed research is about 'smelling' badger blood so I agree that it would be a far more interesting subject
and mine's about cholesterol degradation by TB. Anything would be more interesting than that
eta - that's TB as in tuberculosis, not thoroughbreds
Crikey you lead exciting lives
I can tell you all about a person's propensity to buy washing machine insurance if you like?
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shortstuff99
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The life of a scientist, one crazy party 'till the end
JFTDWS
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The end... roll on the end, I say!
shortstuff99
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Lol!
cptrayes
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That sounds like death-wish JFTD!
I could do propensity to default on a credit card if you aren't interested in washing macine insurance ?
I could do propensity to default on a credit card if you aren't interested in washing macine insurance
?
rhino
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Cactus bugs? Never heard of them
I can add some P-glycoprotein/mdr research to the pot too if it's of any use
cptrayes - I would approach any of the uni's doing equine courses, preferably at Masters level, or maybe any diagnostics courses (we did a lot of medical imaging for my MSc), they would probably be able to do some preliminary studies if nothing else
Not so sure re: funding, but try one of the science councils
http://www.bbsrc.ac.uk/funding/apply/apply-index.aspx
JFTDWS
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Death? No. Just the end of my PhD that I'm longing for!
I can throw in some Parkinsons work I did with GSK yeaaaaaaars ago. And some R. equi work that is awaiting publication
shortstuff99
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Ooh do lots of people default? Cactus bugs are true bugs and are in the coridae family and the ones I looked at lived in Florida which was lush
Goldenstar
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No I don't ,if I win the lottery I will fund one of the vet universities to do it.
You are right MRI would mean they could tracked over a Long period .
It would be fasinating.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I'm trying to roll to the end as soon as I can my peer reviewed work includes sheep worms and smelly meat I might have found a new species though whether we can prove that or not remains to be seen!
CP have you seen this? I posted it for amaranta on an earlier thread, it isn't that *interesting* but poss worth a read, I have access to a copy
itle: Effects of barefoot trimming on hoof morphology
Author(s): Clayton H. M.; Gray S.; Kaiser L. J.; et al.
Source: AUSTRALIAN VETERINARY JOURNAL Volume: 89 Issue: 8 Pages: 305-311 Published: AUG 2011
essentially it is just showing that bf trim does improve under run heels and negative palmar angles.
my peer reviewed work includes sheep worms and smelly meat I might have found a new species though whether we can prove that or not remains to be seen! CP have you seen this? I posted it for amaranta on an earlier thread, it isn't that *interesting* but poss worth a read, I have access to a copy
itle: Effects of barefoot trimming on hoof morphology
Author(s): Clayton H. M.; Gray S.; Kaiser L. J.; et al.
Source: AUSTRALIAN VETERINARY JOURNAL Volume: 89 Issue: 8 Pages: 305-311 Published: AUG 2011
essentially it is just showing that bf trim does improve under run heels and negative palmar angles.
rhino
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Cactus bugs are true bugs and are in the coridae family and the ones I looked at lived in Florida which was lush
I've just looked them up
I did some work on the distribution of Pseudomogoplistes Squamiger (Mediterranean scaly cricket) but I only got to look at the ones who had made it to England
cptrayes
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Ooh thanks Ester.
A new species of sheep worm? Will it be called after you ??
A new species of sheep worm? Will it be called after you
??
ester
Not slacking multitasking
lol, no nothing as exciting as a sheep worm that was back in undergrad days! bacteria that appears to be different to all my others.
cptrayes
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Muddy Pony
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Hi,
I know you are into cactus bug discussions now .... but......
Barefoot (shoe free - whatever!!!)
Pony has been naked (feet wise) since Oct on a diet of fast fibre, Equimins vits and linseed.
Seen by the farrier recently, who depressed me by not being more positive - pony is very happy feet wise, working happily on all surfaces.
Just needed a hug really as he just thinks I'm a tight a**e ..... and won't pay for shoes - not that I believe its the best thing for him
I know you are into cactus bug discussions now .... but......
Barefoot (shoe free - whatever!!!)
Pony has been naked (feet wise) since Oct on a diet of fast fibre, Equimins vits and linseed.
Seen by the farrier recently, who depressed me by not being more positive - pony is very happy feet wise, working happily on all surfaces.
Just needed a hug really as he just thinks I'm a tight a**e ..... and won't pay for shoes - not that I believe its the best thing for him
cptrayes
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Why does he think you need shoes on your pony if the pony is sound and happy?
Post on phoenixhorse.myfastforum.org and you will get plenty of support.
Post on phoenixhorse.myfastforum.org and you will get plenty of support.