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sambarny23

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Could someone please tell me which is stronger a dutch gag with reins on the bottom ring or dutch gag with bit roundings on the big ring and the bottom ring?
 
I had this convo with my RI yesterday. I have roundings on my bit aswell (neue schule elevator). Was told that roundings 'soften' the bit so she suggested taking them off (which I have done) and reins are now on the bottom gag ring. Find it's more direct and effective. So I would say stronger without.
 
Rein on the bottom ring is definitely going to be stronger. It's also going to give an awful lot of poll pressure which many horses object to - most horses I've seen with this bit in drop behind the contact to try and relieve the pressure. Personally I'd only be using it with two reins - one on the main ring and the other one where needed. At least then you only need to use the bottom rein when absolutely necessary.
 
dutch gags/bubble gag bits are nasty bits. the poll pressure on the bottom ring is immense. and horse will start to drop behind the bit and still pi** off. more schooling and bit exploration req i think. good luck and there is a bit solution out there which is nicer than a bubble gag.
 
ofcourseyoucan said:
dutch gags/bubble gag bits are nasty bits. the poll pressure on the bottom ring is immense. and horse will start to drop behind the bit and still pi** off. more schooling and bit exploration req i think. good luck and there is a bit solution out there which is nicer than a bubble gag.
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I have to agree with this. Any strong bit doesnt solve any problems, the only thing that will is good training. ANY horse can be soft and responsive to a mild snaffle or even a bitless, so i would reccommend better training rather than cutting corners and using something that wll probably hurt the horse.
 
Dutch gags should traditionally be used with two reins and a curb. Rounding is softer than just on bottom rein by far, just on bottom rein is IMO horendous (though commonly used unfortunatly) as puts massive amount of poll pressure.
 
i personally dont use these bits as they often put horses behind bit.
i tend to suggest to any clients that they use it with a curb strap and 2 reins if they want to keep using the bit as this then prevents the bit having as much poll pressure with small amount of movement as it does tend to pull cheekpieces forward as well when full rein pressure is applied
i find a pelham is better.
 
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