Which Passport for my foal?

[anglo1]

Hi
Does anyone know what kind of passport i could get for my foal (due May)
Mum is my anglo arab mare with a pb arab society passport, dad is a dutch warmblood but just missed out at grading so i have no covering certificate, i know i can go for a pb arab passport like mum but as the foal will only be 25% arab it doesnt seem suitable, ive looked at ssh website but without a covering cert its a very basic foundation one, does anyone have any better ideas?

Any advice much apprieted

Dam = arab x tb (passported pb arab society)
Sire = dutchwarmblood x tb (passported with ssh but not one of their graded stallions.

 

[imafluffybunny]

Unless the stallion is graded you wont get anything but a basic passport im afraid.

 

[magic104]

Hi

Dam = arab x tb (passported pb arab society) - Why is she PB and not AA?

Sire = dutchwarmblood x tb (passported with ssh but not one of their graded stallions.

- As stated they are unlikely to recognise his breeding if he did not grade but no harm in asking. Why not go with PBA, though again only the mare will be recorded.

 

[Cherrygarden]

I'd go for the part bred arab if they will record the sires information as well. One of my pet hates is that boggo ID passports have nearly all got space for sire and dam info but none of them will include it. Now I am not talking about you here as you have what sounds like a really good cross that deserves to have its breeding recorded for all to see but one of the easiest ways of bringing bad breeders to account would be if the breeding of their stock was recorded and placed on the database for people to go and check. So you could see that stallion X crossed with mares A,B,C,D and so on nearly every time equalled foals that were uniformly WHY! Albeit no doubt cute. This should have been the point of passports for goodness sake.

Also it might be worth talking nicely to the AES as they have issued passports for me in the past when I owned mare and stallion and just wanted the information I had recorded before I got hold of more. I think possibly depending on the size of your mare there are some societies that will record the sire side regardless if you grade the mare with them but obviously you will need to check the small words for that.

 

[tristar]

what's wrong with pba, there is loads of other horses in the other stud books, could make your foal a bit different, and i reg some of mine with them and am proud to do so, mind you i'm hoping pba sporthorses will become more popular! i could use aes but find that a very open book;

 

[Maesfen]

- As stated they are unlikely to recognise his breeding if he did not grade but no harm in asking. Why not go with PBA, though again only the mare will be recorded.

I would imagine Magic that the dam is either an unregistered TB or possibly on the NTR rather than the GSB as I had some out of one similar, (on the NTR even though she raced and had full pedigree behind her) by an Anglo. When I used a GSB mare it was straight away an Anglo foal rather than a part bred.

Depending on size of mare I'd go with SHBGB who will record the details for the dam if she has a verified passport herself.

 

[anglo1]

Thank you all very much.

although only a small part arab i think i will go for a pb arab passport. Mum and dad although both crosses are excellent animals that will im sure produce an excellent foal that all going well will be with us for life so the passport isnt that important just want to get the very best for it from the start. I understand that breed societies are strict because they want to keep a breed as pure as poss or true to type but this is a family horse, bred to be kept, from healthy, good conformation/temprament animals, Quality of each individual should matter also not just who their grandfarther is. Alot of time and thought went into this match and i can assure you an "albeit cute" foal is not what we are striving for, very helpful thanks v much

 

[magic104]

Thank you all very much.

although only a small part arab i think i will go for a pb arab passport. Mum and dad although both crosses are excellent animals that will im sure produce an excellent foal that all going well will be with us for life so the passport isnt that important just want to get the very best for it from the start. I understand that breed societies are strict because they want to keep a breed as pure as poss or true to type but this is a family horse, bred to be kept, from healthy, good conformation/temprament animals, Quality of each individual should matter also not just who their grandfarther is. Alot of time and thought went into this match and i can assure you an "albeit cute" foal is not what we are striving for, very helpful thanks v much

This is not quiet the case "I understand that breed societies are strict because they want to keep a breed as pure as poss or true to type" - There are breed societies that have PB reg as well. Regardless of the stallion being graded I also believe that with DNA ALL horses should have their sire & dam recorded when reg. It is just not helping to keep track of good performance animals along with the not so good or hereditary problems. Also when the animal is sold on, there is always that chance if it is bred from, it could end up being put back to a close relation!

 

[htobago]

what's wrong with pba, there is loads of other horses in the other stud books, could make your foal a bit different, and i reg some of mine with them and am proud to do so, mind you i'm hoping pba sporthorses will become more popular! i could use aes but find that a very open book;

I second this - and am glad you are going for the AHS option, anglo1!

 

[Opie]

On the provision that the owner of the stallion will provide their own covering certifcate to you or an AI certifcate if bred by AI, the foal can be registered with the SSH with all known breeding recorded in his/her passport.

Definitely worth while asking the stallion owner for a covering certifcate, this does not have to be issued by the stud book, a decleration from the stallion owner, with dates of covering/insemination signed by them and/or the vet/ai technican will suffice.

If you can provide a CC the foal would be entered into the Main stud Book in the foundation section, this should not be confused with a basic passport registration which records no breeding and is out with the Main Stud Book.

The foal can be presented at the youngstock gradings as a foal. If presented at the age of three if he/she obtained a first premium regardless of the stallion/mares status within the stud book and on the provision that both parents have a three generation pedigree he/she would be entered into the head stud book.

I side with Magic, recording known pedigree is important for the reasons outlined in their post.

Why register your foal with a studbook that only records one side of the pedigree?

Do the AHS overstamp for showing purposes? If so even more reason to register with the sires stud book of origin and have the passport overstamped.

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