Who has an anxious horse?

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I'm interested to know who else has an anxious horse, how do they react and in what situations and how you have managed or managing to overcome this and with any supplements etc. Has anyone tried a Titanium mask with any success? My boy can be incredibly anxious (he's had everything checked) so just look at other ways to help him.
 
I have a nervous horse but not in the typical sense of nervousness if that makes sense?

Baggs my 20 year old Appaloosa cross I rescued over 10 years ago and I've found he's an internal worrier, until it all gets too much and then he "explodes" as it's been described in the past. I say "explode" using the term loosely as I can't really think of a better terminology to use - it's literally a maximum of 5 minutes of him having a moment and then he feels ok to move on with what we were doing.

I find with him that supplements didn't really help much (I trialled all sorts from straight magnesium oxide, to NAF Magic and several others) so after 3 years of trying various supplements, I decided not to bother with them anymore. That's not to say that supplements won't work for every horse - it truly just does depend on each individual. A friend of mine uses NAF Magic with great success and another uses straight magnesium oxide with good success too.

In terms of how he expresses himself, if he gets nervous on the ground he'll just walk/barge through you and as he does it, you can see him bracing and almost closing his eyes as he does it. This can be mistaken for him being bargy and rude, so if anyone who isn't me handles him when I'm not around, I make sure to thoroughly verse them beforehand in what to look for etc so that he isn't corrected for being scared. He also roots to the spot, will lean back on his hocks as if getting ready to leg it and will put his head up as high as he can. Riding wise, if he's nervous, it starts off with him doing some minor head tossing that can escalate quite sharpish, he'll jog, get extremely sensitive to my leg and hold his breath. I either reroute what I was going to do in the school, pick a nice hack he likes or if he's really nervous, I scrap the idea of a ride entirely and just hang with him or go over some groundwork patterns that are familiar and he knows like the back of his hoof.

Baggs doesn't have a particular situation he'll react to/in - it just depends on how he is feeling on the day, how much he has internalised and if there is any more space for him to internalise or if it is going to come out. One interesting thing I've found is that he won't allow himself to "explode" if the situation is dangerous (i.e on a road/traffic oncoming etc) - he'll actually jog along, shaking his head, holding his breath slightly and then when we get to a safe spot is when he lets his emotion out. One thing that does trigger him is if things happen in quick succession - so if a few cars all go speeding past in short succession, I usually prepare for him to express himself once we are in a safe space.

In terms of dealing with his nervousness, I do a hell of a lot of groundwork - in fact I've been known to groundwork for weeks on end rather than ride. I have him in a simple rope halter and 12ft long line so there is space for him to safely express himself, and I utilise groundwork patterns. One pattern that I always make sure to do with him is getting him to yield his shoulders away from me, getting him to yield his bottom away from me, check that he'll softly flex into me and away from me, and that I can get a soft back up with minimal to no pressure. I also make use of my voice when working him - I know they don't understand English, but they do understand tones of voice, and sometimes I'll just chat random crap to him - helps keep me grounded and also helps to bring him down if I feel him trigger stacking. When riding him, if he stops or I feel a stop coming on, I won't put my leg on or tap my schooling whip against my boot. Instead, I'll let him to come to a stop and I'll ask him in a gentle tone "What's up buddy/what's wrong pal/ you alright buddy, do you need a hand being a brave boy?". He'll often then turn to me and I'll give him a neck or head scratch and then I'll take a big breath, let it out and wait for him to do the same. Once he does, I give him a lot of praise (think over the top "What a clever boy", "You're so brave", What a clever lad" etc) and accompany this with plenty of wither scratches and gently asking him to move on.

The worst thing to do is make a big fuss of things as this makes it worse with Baggs x
 
My livery used a titanium mask on her horse and I have to say I was highly sceptical. However, she had a really good outcome with it. She used to put it on him when riding and particularly jumping. It made a lot of difference.
 
I have an anxious new forest but she's retired.
When she was ridden (not for long) she was an angel and more lazy.
She is a field companion.
Generally I find just being with her, relaxing myself and not pushing is best.

She cannot cope with the beach AT ALL. I took her down in hand wirh my calm, boss horse and Fid nearly took her out in her whirling. All we did was step on to the beach - sea was out, it was quiet of people.
She was out of her mind so we left and let her calm down in a safe spot before continuing home.

Rugs - I've tried folded towels but she full on body shakes so she gets forage and field shelter.

I've had her from 3 yrs old and she's 18.

Edit: I looked back at previous photos a few years ago and hadn't realised that she stood camped under all her life so there has been something going on for a long time. She gets regular massages (I had to do a course to do it as she didn't trust easily and bit me often during). With me massaging if she pulls a face to say ouch, I just say Ahh in a stern tone and she stops. If she doesn't then I back off. She is very hyper sensitive to touch.
I've no idea what happened to her before I got her but there was an owner between her breeder and the person who bought her at 6 months old so I suspect something may have happened there.
 
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I have a very anxious pony. We keep him as a nanny/uncle horse the youngsters - he's very good at 'being a horse'.

We keep everything within his manageable range and don't push him out side his comfort zone unless really necessary. He trusts me and my other half enough now to do most things with him.

No I haven't used a titanium mask as I have found pushing him beyond threshold just causes stress and potential for ulcers and steps backwards in his trust. He's a genuinely lovely fella but someone somewhere hurt or frightened him and he can't get past it.

We did use global herbs super calm for a while and while we made progress we ended up with other issues further down the line.

I think most horse's are not stressed by one particular thing, but its the piling on of stressful things and then the tiniest thing is the breaking point.

My stressy pants had every check going and an absolute fortune spent on him to find 'nothing' wrong. When we decided to call it a day with backing him he was turned away as a companion pony for over 2 years. When he came home he seemed to take a deep breath as if to say 'I'm home' so I've promised him (and myself) I will do my best to make sure he stays home now. He's done some in hand showing with me and as long as I'm there he's OK. He touches my arm with his nose when he's apprehensive. The run into the main ring at the royal welsh was emotional as he loved the atmosphere but I was 50/50 about how he would handle it. I could have shown him without a lead rein that day - he just stayed with mum.

Anyway during his season showing he had lots of body work and physio as I was worried he was tense. It took a few session before he trusted the lady enough to relax but once he did he loved it. We found an odd lump behind his wither which was the size of my hand (same shape as a saddle panel) once he's had a few massages it turned into a dimple with a lump the size of a cherry tomato behind it. We think this is what caused the issues with backing.

He's 13 now and I'm just happy he trusts us and I can care for him. We work with the horse in front of us, not the horse wanted him to be. But oddly I wouldn't want him any other way now.
 
my lily is a worrier - she’s a very good girl, the kind i could go away and leave anyone to look after and not have to worry, but she’s definitely an anxious girl.

she was in a field with her mum & other foals until about 7/8, bought and backed and then did nothing much until i bought her at 10.

2 & a half years later and she’s finally getting used to life - didn’t used to hack on her own as she’d hold it in until she was spinning round in the middle of the road, couldn’t cope with her first show which was in hand, and basically empty. the steward actually said “credit to you for handling her!” whilst i was desperately trying to convince her she’s usually an angel🤣

it’s just been time with her, knowing when to stop and let her process things and when to push on, and we can push past most things now with only a very minor glare at “scary things”. it’s also gotten better now that i know her, know what the “worst” she’ll do is, and can judge if the situation will become unsafe.

she’s a strange one though, she’s completely unbothered by traffic, clipped first time without her tied up, not fussed by sashes or anything (christmas wreaths!) being put over her neck, happy to walk through the yard car park with all the sheep loose around her feet - but bin day is always an “event”, and 1 green leaf in amongst a lot of brown ones gets a funny look! we can enjoy a hack alone, and i could take her to certain places in the box alone and not worry, she’s been to somerford camp twice now and been a dream!

with her it’s just been repeated exposure in small ways, she used to wear a regular ear bonnet (dubbed her “magic ears”) to dull a bit of noise but it’s more visual stimuli that sets her off🤣 she’s still funny about new venues/arenas, but rather than spooking the whole hour she needs 5/10 minutes before she’ll crack on and get over it.

the first time i tried to hack out on my own we got royally stuck in the middle of the road - the side we were crossing on had a house with scaffolding up and a man intermittently drilling, but there were roadworks at the other side, so she ended up in the middle desperate to avoid going to either side🤣 i just took her out in hand to the quiet section of the roadworks and rewarded her everytime she sniffed them or touched them with her nose,,,we’ve done a bit of that, and if there’s anything that looks a bit suspicious it now gets quite a thorough boop!
 
I do but bad news it was pain 😂 That being said, we did a lot of confidence work before we figured that out that still helped a lot, just obvs couldn't fully solve things. And making her more physically comfortable didn't solve all the anxiety either, just quite a lot of it! Booping new things is one of ours too! Keeping things under threshold, knowing where her threshold was that day as it is always changing, having easy things to do to distract from hard things. Lots of rewards. With hacking (and with some school work) I do think it helped that I will always hop off or stop rather than have her go over threshold. No progress or achievement is worth having her panic or have to yell at me that she isn't coping. It's not perfect, doesn't stop a sheep hiding in a hedge suddenly going BAA in your face and causing an incident, but it's a good goal to have I think.

I used valerian for a while (as we don't compete) and I think it took the edge off some grass silliness so would use that again. Never sure magnesium did anything. Agnus castus, again hard to say if it did much. Am trialling a box of the Dodson and Horrel "Placid" atm as it was cheap and I needed something to qualify for free shipping, and it's tasty so she finishes her dinner quicker 😂 Someone did suggest the titanium mask for her, it would have looked very funny on a fluffy little cob with hair poking out everywhere, but never got round to trying it.
 
I have a very over reactive/ easily triggered mare who can get triggered in the field but mainly ridden. I worked out she is extremely noise sensitive so ear plugs have made a massive difference to her, muffling noise and also seem to act as a calmer. I did read there are acupuncture points in the ears which when the plug presses on them it is calming whether this is true I have no idea but they certainly work for me
 
I have an anxious young Arab, but I don't think it's anything particularly unusual for his age/breed. For the record I didn't believe the Arab stereotype before I got him, but he is doing his best to prove that it does in fact exist. (My older Arab has always been more chill, even as a 4 year old).

Coping strategies are just really doing things he's familiar with and that encourage him to release his muscles. No 1 is flexing his nose round to my boot. Flexing his head to his side (and relaxing his neck) was one of the first things he learned as a 2 year old so it's something he can do well and feel good about. These days he does it himself when he's feeling anxious.

My trainer says the worst thing you can do with a horse that's getting overwrought due to anxiety is pat and talk soothingly to it, because in effect you're rewarding the behaviour and reinforcing the idea that whatever is upsetting the horse is indeed scary. It made sense when he said it like that.
 
I have an anxious young Arab, but I don't think it's anything particularly unusual for his age/breed. For the record I didn't believe the Arab stereotype before I got him, but he is doing his best to prove that it does in fact exist. (My older Arab has always been more chill, even as a 4 year old).

Coping strategies are just really doing things he's familiar with and that encourage him to release his muscles. No 1 is flexing his nose round to my boot. Flexing his head to his side (and relaxing his neck) was one of the first things he learned as a 2 year old so it's something he can do well and feel good about. These days he does it himself when he's feeling anxious.

My trainer says the worst thing you can do with a horse that's getting overwrought due to anxiety is pat and talk soothingly to it, because in effect you're rewarding the behaviour and reinforcing the idea that whatever is upsetting the horse is indeed scary. It made sense when he said it like that.
Rather than " rewarding" the behaviour, you're saying, " It's ok, we've got this ", surely? As things progress, you can literally, gradually, change the reassurance to, " It's fine, lets get on with it", as soon as you feel any hesitation. As others have said, loads of groundwork, getting off to help reassure, all work towards getting a more confident horse. What does your trainer recommend instead?
 
Rather than " rewarding" the behaviour, you're saying, " It's ok, we've got this ", surely? As things progress, you can literally, gradually, change the reassurance to, " It's fine, lets get on with it", as soon as you feel any hesitation. As others have said, loads of groundwork, getting off to help reassure, all work towards getting a more confident horse. What does your trainer recommend instead?
Basically jumping straight to the "it's fine, let's get on with it" step - just asking him to carry on with his task and if necessary go back to a task he's really familiar and confident with. I guess it could involve getting off and working from the ground, as long as you're setting the example of not acknowledging the scary thing.

I'm not saying this is a way to cure an anxious brain, just a way of dealing with it.
 
My mare is not generally a big problem but she is by far our stressiest, and very noise sensitive. She took a long time to settle into herself when I backed her and is only now getting really confident and reliable in most cases after 4-5 years. I've spent a long time slowly working with her in different environments so she learns what to do with all her energy and big feelings. The more new things she saw, heard and felt that failed to kill her, the smaller her reactions got. She is genuinely very good most of the time now and has done some massive scary events. The trick to handling and riding her is that only one of you can freak out at once and it is NEVER YOUR TURN. 😆
Sounds are still her worst thing, especially if she doesn't know what they are. However, she wants to be with people and tries her best, and now I've had her long enough to know where her boundaries are and what the worst things she'll do are, it's WAY easier to just sit there calmly while she's feeling like a boiling pot under me because I know full well she'll get past it, and be fine in the end.

She's out 24/7, on low energy feed and exercised plenty, which i'm sure helps matters.
 
My mare is not generally a big problem but she is by far our stressiest, and very noise sensitive. She took a long time to settle into herself when I backed her and is only now getting really confident and reliable in most cases after 4-5 years. I've spent a long time slowly working with her in different environments so she learns what to do with all her energy and big feelings. The more new things she saw, heard and felt that failed to kill her, the smaller her reactions got. She is genuinely very good most of the time now and has done some massive scary events. The trick to handling and riding her is that only one of you can freak out at once and it is NEVER YOUR TURN. 😆
Sounds are still her worst thing, especially if she doesn't know what they are. However, she wants to be with people and tries her best, and now I've had her long enough to know where her boundaries are and what the worst things she'll do are, it's WAY easier to just sit there calmly while she's feeling like a boiling pot under me because I know full well she'll get past it, and be fine in the end.

She's out 24/7, on low energy feed and exercised plenty, which i'm sure helps matters.
My horse sounds exactly like this! Very noise sensitive if he can hear things but not see them and can be worse in a super quiet arena for example as he's listening for every single noise! I do find it hard to relax when he feels like a coiled spring ready to explode though! Any rememdies for this as often he tenses and I get tense!!
 
if he is absolutely fine on the floor and a coiled spring to ride (every time) then its almost certainly pain somewhere, you just haven't found it yet.

theres hot horses, and buzzy horses who just want to crack on, get moving and do the job, but the feeling you are constantly about to be decked isnt normal and shouldn't be normalised.
 
when you say everything has been checked! does that include checking for ulcers, kissing spin etc?

If he was mine, I would do as much as I could with a nanny horse that is rock solid and not reactive! if he got silly in the school, and I felt anxious, I would get off and walk around, get him to lower his head until we were both relaxed! I do not see that staying on is going to help anyone if you're both feeling nervous!
 
My lad can be quite anxious. I feel like he’s a chill dude stuck in an anxious body. BuckOff does seem to help, but I’ve done an equibiome test which shows he has dysbiosis, so I’ll be interested if his anxiety reduces when (if!) I get his gut microbiome within normal ranges.
 
Basically jumping straight to the "it's fine, let's get on with it" step - just asking him to carry on with his task and if necessary go back to a task he's really familiar and confident with. I guess it could involve getting off and working from the ground, as long as you're setting the example of not acknowledging the scary thing.

I'm not saying this is a way to cure an anxious brain, just a way of dealing with it.
I think the issue with their method is that it is literally like trusting a cyclist when they wave you by them on a blind bend - you wouldn't put your life in the hands of someone you don't know, so why should the horse? You need to establish the basic trust , that bottom line of being utterly reliable. The horse needs to be able to go over an investigate the thing that's causing the anxiety, how else will they learn? But I agree with the previous comments, I think this horse has pain issue(s)
 
if he is absolutely fine on the floor and a coiled spring to ride (every time) then its almost certainly pain somewhere, you just haven't found it yet.

theres hot horses, and buzzy horses who just want to crack on, get moving and do the job, but the feeling you are constantly about to be decked isnt normal and shouldn't be normalised.
Definately not a coield spring to ride every time - most days he's absolutely fine. He's had everything checked, has regular physio x rays etc. He didn't have a good start in life so has always known to be anxious. He's very noise sensitive. get him to an arena or a new place and goes into panic mode.
 
My lad can be quite anxious. I feel like he’s a chill dude stuck in an anxious body. BuckOff does seem to help, but I’ve done an equibiome test which shows he has dysbiosis, so I’ll be interested if his anxiety reduces when (if!) I get his gut microbiome within normal ranges.
Ooh this is interesting - how do you do this?
 
My horse sounds exactly like this! Very noise sensitive if he can hear things but not see them and can be worse in a super quiet arena for example as he's listening for every single noise! I do find it hard to relax when he feels like a coiled spring ready to explode though! Any rememdies for this as often he tenses and I get tense!!
Yes mine is much worse indoors than outdoors as she can't see what's causing the noise. If she can tell what it is, almost doesn't matter WHAT it is and how loud, although a hoover on a balcony at a dressage comp this year was pretty worrying for her 😂

As far as relaxing while riding goes? Well, that really is the hardest part and I don't have many good suggestions. Other than make sure you're breathing (chatting or singing helps) and do your best to keep muscles relaxed although I do know this is far easier said than done!
If I feel myself tensing up I try to take a deep breath and then when I exhale feel like I'm dropping all the tension out through the bottom of my feet. Hard to explain and I do get wound up sometimes anyway but it helps.

I also weirdly find that rides where things go a bit wrong but no one dies really boost my confidence. I had a sudden fall off a young training livery earlier this year which made me very nervous on my own youngster despite her being a completely seperate horse who'd never shown a single sign of the same behaviour. A few weeks ago I had a hack on her where traffic was crazy and cows were jumping out of bushes and her hacking companions were being prats and it actually made me feel much better 😂 strange isn't it.

My stressy mare I've had long enough and done enough different things with that I can stay reasonably confident that even if she's being a bit wired right this second probably we'll get out of it okay because we always have so far. (Touch wood) I'm still not afraid to jump off and walk for a bit if I think it'll relieve tension for both of us though of course this isn't always suitable.
 
Ooh this is interesting - how do you do this?
It’s not the cheapest option but if it helps it’ll be worth it for me. You order a test and send it off - a bit like a worm count. It takes longer, as they run a DNA (or might be RNA, some kind of NA 😅) profile of all the microbes in the horses gut and what the levels are as a percentage.

Then they send you a report of where your horse falls and where they should be. And then you get advice on what to feed to get the gut back into a healthy balance (assuming it’s out). They sell the supplements too, though some things like oats and oily herbs you can get elsewhere.
 
Yes mine is much worse indoors than outdoors as she can't see what's causing the noise. If she can tell what it is, almost doesn't matter WHAT it is and how loud, although a hoover on a balcony at a dressage comp this year was pretty worrying for her 😂

As far as relaxing while riding goes? Well, that really is the hardest part and I don't have many good suggestions. Other than make sure you're breathing (chatting or singing helps) and do your best to keep muscles relaxed although I do know this is far easier said than done!
If I feel myself tensing up I try to take a deep breath and then when I exhale feel like I'm dropping all the tension out through the bottom of my feet. Hard to explain and I do get wound up sometimes anyway but it helps.

I also weirdly find that rides where things go a bit wrong but no one dies really boost my confidence. I had a sudden fall off a young training livery earlier this year which made me very nervous on my own youngster despite her being a completely seperate horse who'd never shown a single sign of the same behaviour. A few weeks ago I had a hack on her where traffic was crazy and cows were jumping out of bushes and her hacking companions were being prats and it actually made me feel much better 😂 strange isn't it.

My stressy mare I've had long enough and done enough different things with that I can stay reasonably confident that even if she's being a bit wired right this second probably we'll get out of it okay because we always have so far. (Touch wood) I'm still not afraid to jump off and walk for a bit if I think it'll relieve tension for both of us though of course this isn't always suitable.
This is such good advise - thank you! So yes I get what you mean - we've had some pretty hairy hacks but got home (by hook or by crook) but when he's flipped in an arena he's totally gone into fright mode and I've hit the deck a few times as he leaps, bucks and then spins on a sixpence and stands and shakes so I don't have much chance! It happened last week at a clinic when he was sooo tense for the session anyway and knocked a raised pole and totally panicked and did exactly this and the instructor said "wow he's got a very quick flight mode hasn't he" Until people see it for themselves they don't always believe what he can be like! Equally we've done a few clinics now where it's goen really well! He just winds himself up and It's like riding a piece of cardboard!
 
Ooh this is interesting - how do you do this?

This is such good advise - thank you! So yes I get what you mean - we've had some pretty hairy hacks but got home (by hook or by crook) but when he's flipped in an arena he's totally gone into fright mode and I've hit the deck a few times as he leaps, bucks and then spins on a sixpence and stands and shakes so I don't have much chance! It happened last week at a clinic when he was sooo tense for the session anyway and knocked a raised pole and totally panicked and did exactly this and the instructor said "wow he's got a very quick flight mode hasn't he" Until people see it for themselves they don't always believe what he can be like! Equally we've done a few clinics now where it's goen really well! He just winds himself up and It's like riding a piece of cardboard!

these 2 replies just seem so at odds with each other. not trying to be THAT person but i teach a lot of people each week and thus see a lot of goings on at some big yards and with barely any exceptions the horses with these kind of issues turn out out to have pain issues.

are the good days genuinely good? feel happy and confident for 100% of the ride, can work on a long rein? not just getting it done on a wing and a prayer and sliding off relieved?

i say this all as someone who had a very tricky horse and had all the tests, and never found a thing, but the more i learn the more i think there must have been something despite competing to a very good level.
 
Definately not a coield spring to ride every time - most days he's absolutely fine. He's had everything checked, has regular physio x rays etc. He didn't have a good start in life so has always known to be anxious. He's very noise sensitive. get him to an arena or a new place and goes into panic mode.
sorry should have quoted this post above....doh
 
these 2 replies just seem so at odds with each other. not trying to be THAT person but i teach a lot of people each week and thus see a lot of goings on at some big yards and with barely any exceptions the horses with these kind of issues turn out out to have pain issues.

are the good days genuinely good? feel happy and confident for 100% of the ride, can work on a long rein? not just getting it done on a wing and a prayer and sliding off relieved?

i say this all as someone who had a very tricky horse and had all the tests, and never found a thing, but the more i learn the more i think there must have been something despite competing to a very good level.
I also had one I used to dread having to get on - eventually turned out to have ECVM and PSSM ...there's got to be a reason these horses react at the flick of a switch, and I regret all the time I spent not listening to the horse ( who has spent the last decade mowing the grass, listening to people tell me I should be riding her)
 
My highland is really nervous. He made me laugh the other day because as he bit int a piece of swede the crunch made him jump! That’s nervous! He’s retired and 18 now but he’s always been the same. Shame really. He’s fine with horses. It’s just around people. His ‘education’ was done in Scotland at a place called Camilty. Think it maybe should be called calamity!
 
My highland is really nervous. He made me laugh the other day because as he bit int a piece of swede the crunch made him jump! That’s nervous! He’s retired and 18 now but he’s always been the same. Shame really. He’s fine with horses. It’s just around people. His ‘education’ was done in Scotland at a place called Camilty. Think it maybe should be called calamity!
My new forest would stand on a carrot while eating it so it didnt move and scare her.

There was the day a strand of hay was in her tail and brushed against her leg. She was jumping and swinging from side to side. I had to dart in quick, grab her tail, get the hay and dart back out.
It was also only a couple years ago she stopped clacking at other horses.
 
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