Why are antis not really bothered about animal welfare?

[teddyt]

Ever wondered why hunt saboteurs are never really bothered about animal welfare? They seem more concerned about starting arguments, trespassing and instigating accidents than actually helping animals.
I wish they would put their efforts into issues concerning animals that really need help. Such as battery hens or live transport of horses.
But i doubt they ever will because 'monitoring' a hunt never is about fox welfare.

 

[Fizzimyst]

I remember some years ago an anti coming in to the village pub when I was living in Sarratt and bragging about how he'd broke a horses leg with a baseball bat.

Hmmmm yes, save the fox, break a horses leg and cause it to be pts, how very animal loving

 

[zigzagzig]

I'm anti and my objection to hunting is based almost entirely on the silly costumes foxhunters wear. I also think hunting attracts fanatical weirdos. Take your pick from the resident humour-free specimens on this forum for an example.

 

[teddyt]

I also think hunting attracts fanatical weirdos.

I agree! And theyre normally the ones not on horses, dressed in hooded tops and balaclavas, clutching cameras. :grin:

 

[FestiveSpirit]

I also think hunting attracts fanatical weirdos. Take your pick from the resident humour-free specimens on this forum for an example.

It surely does. They are called the Antis

 

[lovecharles]

'silly costumes'

what, jods and a riding jacket?

whereas tartan trousers tucked into socks is a really classy look...

 

[zigzagzig]

Hahaha! I'll give you that one. teddyt 1, zigzagzig 0. I bow to you!

 

[lovecharles]

i must admit zigzagzig - i do like your humour!

 

[Pixxie]

hmm silly costumes equating to a riding jacket ad jodphurs

oh my well that must mean you are also adverse to well everything, showjumping, dressage, para dressage wow infact almost any competitive element of riding

i sure hope you dont compete, or that would make you a hypocrite wouldn't it

 

[teddyt]

Zigzag - Mind you dont stick that barrel up your nose when you bow.

Fizzymist - that disgusts me

 

[Hebegebe]

I'm anti and my objection to hunting is based almost entirely on the silly costumes foxhunters wear. I also think hunting attracts fanatical weirdos. Take your pick from the resident humour-free specimens on this forum for an example.

Just because people don't find you funny doesn't mean they are humour free.

Your complaint sounds like sour grapes to me

 

[ester]

I could come up with a much sillier costume to wear, sorry just conjured up images of people cantering round the countryside in a variety of themed costumes! am thinking 'halloween', 'cartoon characters', 'musicals', 'drag'...the list could be endless, with horse adornements too of course- fox'd spot you then.

 

[Irishcobs]

I'm anti and my objection to hunting is based almost entirely on the silly costumes foxhunters wear. I also think hunting attracts fanatical weirdos. Take your pick from the resident humour-free specimens on this forum for an example.

Damn, does that mean my friend and I can't dress up as Cavalry soldiers next season for charity? I quite fancy pulling my sword out and charging!

 

[lastrebel]

Teddy,
Do you really mean this or is just something to wind up the Antis. I know this arguement comes up a lot but do you think they really could be bothered unless they in some way care about animal welfare.
Why else would they monitor a hunt unless they care about the fox. Can you really not understand that someone could be upset by seeing an animal torn apart by a pack of hounds whilst a mob cheer.
this is a serious question so I would appreciate a serious answer.

 

[jrp204]

Personally, i think those who dress up in complete football strip and go to a match, pick a fight get drunk and throw up and piss in the street and a damn sight more offensive.

 

[Scratchline]

Personally, i think those who dress up in complete football strip and go to a match, pick a fight get drunk and throw up and piss in the street and a damn sight more offensive.

So where exactly have you come across these sorts of people that you find so offensive because we havent got any 'real' football teams?!

Dont tell me. You, a country boy going to a big town/city and complaining about their way of life? PMSL

 

[hellybelly6]

There are extremists in any group/organisation which give everybody else a bad name.

I have mixed feelings about hunting, but err on the side of anti.

On one hand hunting ensures a species survival as it is in the interestes of the hunt to preserve enough numbers to hunt, this also includes preservation of habitat. On the other hand, it is a high price for the caught animals to pay.

I also do not like to see the blood lust that some hunters get or the blooding ceremony etc. I also think the town/country debate is tenuous. You do not need to live in a town to be compassionate. Not only that, some horses are injured or even killed during hunting accidents which is also not animal friendly IMO.

I am a vegetarian, but have no objection to others eating meat which has been properly reared, treated and slaughtered. It should be done with respect and compassion for the 'food' animal.

 

[teddyt]

Teddy,
Do you really mean this or is just something to wind up the Antis. I know this arguement comes up a lot but do you think they really could be bothered unless they in some way care about animal welfare.
Why else would they monitor a hunt unless they care about the fox. Can you really not understand that someone could be upset by seeing an animal torn apart by a pack of hounds whilst a mob cheer.
this is a serious question so I would appreciate a serious answer.

As i said in my OP, the majority of antis are out to cause trouble, not to save a fox. Fizzymist gave one such example. When i was 9 years old an anti grabbed hold of my ponys reins and pulled us off the verge onto a busy road. I was a child! How could that action have saved a fox?

As i see it the fox has a great life. It does what it wants, when it wants. Pre-ban, if it was hunted, it would either get away or be killed in a matter of seconds. No half measures, being left injured or maimed and left for a slow lingering death. The fox is a hunter, hunting is natural. I have seen more foxes get away than being killed and i have never seen anyone cheer when one is caught. If and when it is ripped apart it is dead and knows nothing about it.
Compare this to the welfare of a battery hen, who lives and dies in misery. Or a meat horse, that travels 100s of miles in a distressed state for days. Or the thousands of dogs that are neglected in this country, even beaten and ill treated. These are far more worthy welfare cases than the fox, who has a happy life and if hunted a 50/50 chance of a very quick death, in a manner that it is familiar with (hunting). Why dont the antis put their efforts into helping those animals that really need it? As animal welfare issues go the fox is very low down on the list of pain and suffering.

I therefore think that the majority of antis 'monitor' hunts not for the fox but for their own adrenaline kicks or the desire to cause trouble. If welfare was at the heart of their activities then why do they feel the need to carry baseball bats, wear hooded tops, pull children into the path of cars, etc, etc? I believe it is more about class issues and the resentment of others than fox welfare.

I am actually a vegetarian and am passionate about animal welfare. I have no problem with people eating meat as long as it is reared and killed humanely. A hunted fox lives a happy life and IF it gets caught a quick, humane death. I do have a problem with cruelty and neglect and people that would rather turn a blind eye to this in order to cause trouble under a smoke screen of saving a fox.

 

[lastrebel]

Intresting, I fail to see any difference between the two

 

[lastrebel]

Teddy,
I go alone when I go "moniotring"(hate that phrase).
I often put myself in danger, the only reason I do it is because I know I can stop someone hunting. Why would I do that unless I was trying to save a fox.
I really get fed up with the class arguement its a non starter. As whole my friends and family are privileged, many people who follow the hunts are working class and many people from well off backgrounds don't like hunting.
I've said this time and time again but the problem with fox hunting is the arrogance involved, read some of perdys posts. passionate yes, but also surreal. No other group of wierdos are so blantent about what they do. Look at that idiot Garnier, imagine if he had come out in favour of drink drivers or peadophiles, and he really believes that will win him votes !.

 

[jrp204]

Do you spend as much time having a go at football yobs then?

 

[lastrebel]

I dont believe football yobs storm the houses of parliament, have websites or try to make activities legal

 

[jrp204]

http://www.football-hooligans.org/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2002/hooligans/
http://www.twafa.org.uk/2002/03/30/nazis-and-football-hooligans/
http://www.listal.com/list/football-hooligans
http://www.clipser.com/watch_video/93901
For starters..
No, i agree they don't storm the houses of parliament but the very few hunt supporters who did did not endanger anyones life.

 

[lastrebel]

No they endagered democracy and our Constitution, far worse.IMO.

 

[jrp204]

Really?

 

[Scratchline]

I dont believe football yobs storm the houses of parliament, have websites or try to make activities legal

PMSL ))

 

[Scratchline]

http://www.football-hooligans.org/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2002/hooligans/
http://www.twafa.org.uk/2002/03/30/nazis-and-football-hooligans/
http://www.listal.com/list/football-hooligans
http://www.clipser.com/watch_video/93901
For starters..
No, i agree they don't storm the houses of parliament but the very few hunt supporters who did did not endanger anyones life.

I cannot believe you provided web addresses for football hooliganism in an attempt to make your point) lol lol lol

 

[jrp204]

I'm very glad i have provided you with some entertainment. Although, i am pretty sure many sites are difficult to get hold of as they are 'underground' rather like the sab sites (so i am told). And for you information, i am not 'attempting' anything, just replying to a ?. lol lol lol lol lol!!!!!

 

[Grey_Eventer]

i still dont understand how you are saving a fow, when you (anits) harm children, adults, horses, hounds, yes you are going to stop them hunting that day, maybe you will even have that horse or hound put to sleep, but well be out again, thats not going to stop us hunting forever... so how does harming us, the hunters stop us hunting or save a fox, it doesnt, if you killed, hurt, seriously injured everyone and everything, including children, ponies, horses and hounds then yes, you might save a fox, but by hurting one child, one adult one horse, one pony, one hound, thats not savng a fox.
IMO i find it disgusting how antis think they can go out, follow hunts, tresspass, attack people and their horses, start arguments etc. its disgusting...
and zigzagzig, i find that truely ridiculous that you are an anit due to use wearing jods and a jacket, if your siggie, is you, i find that your outfit is far more ridiculous than what we wear...

 

[Hebegebe]

. find that your outfit is far more ridiculous than what we wear...

Indeed and have you seen some of the hair cuts on 'em????