Why hasn't she sold? Or even had any interest?

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Right, following on from my other post, here's a bit of background.

15.2 rising 9, chestnut mare (is this REALLY why folk dont even get to the rest of the advert?). Out of Sante Etoile, by Classic Cliche.

Bought by us in 2008 from a complete novice who did nothing with her. We are led to believe before that owner she was with Harvey Smith on his racing yard, but that's as far as we know.

Our plan, like many others, was to buy her cheaply, do some stuff with her and sell her on for a little profit. We got her pretty much unschooled. She'd done nothing bar sit in a field.

Summer 2008 started going BD. She was placed/won everytime out at Prelim, then went Novice and gained her first BD point. We took her to local arenas to practice over coloured poles as she can and does get excited by jumping. We also went XC schooling. First time ever by all accounts and she popped everything, water, ditches, sunken roads etc etc.

We entered her for 3 BE events, which that summer where all cancelled. Winter came and she had that off as we have no facilities at home. (Schooled in wide open field over the summer with no probs).

Summer 2009 comes and tbh the rider (my OH) was too busy with work, so she was just kept ticking over, going to local arenas for schooling/jumping, hacking about, more BD.

Winter 2009 and we haven't got a stable space for her so she goes to a family friend who is a BHSI for schooling and general riding stuff.

We got her back in Feb and have been bringing her back into work, and she's been XC for the second time with absolutely no fuss.

She is excellent to do in all ways, travels brilliantly, loves a fuss and a groom, you can clip her by yourself, stands like a dobbin for the vet and farrier, she really is no bother on the ground.

She is not a novice ride, and if describing her, shes a competition horse, not a happy hacker. She can be a handful out on hacks and isnt brilliant in traffic, BUT she is super talented. (And Im honestly not being biased here!). Fab, scopey jump as the piccies show.

Trouble is that we've got to the point were if we spend anymore money on her (ie competing wise) then we are seriously over budget and already starting to make a loss on her. But maybe in order to sell her she needs to get out more?

Ideally she'd go to someone incredibly competent like Baydale or Tabledancer (that ilk would be brill!) who will compete her regularly, but dont want to do pleasure rides or hacking out.

Ho hum. Piccies below....ideas please people as we really need to sell her!

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work on hacking and pleasure rides maybe

its all well and good being able to school and compete

but very few people want a true competition horse

they want them to be able to have some pleasure with in hacking at least imo
 
The most important thing for me would be getting her traffic proofed and hacking out along.

How much is she up for, shes lovely.
 
it would really be worth capitalising on all the work you have done with her so she has come results behind her. Give her a couple of runs BE (and enjoy your work) or part qualify her for dressage championships and I think you will find she will sell a lot easier.
 
I agree - V few people want a horse that wont hack - I have a young competition horse and as much as I enjoy schooling/competing, I also enjoy going for a hack by myself or with others.

How much is she advertsied for and where is the advert - can you post a link?

Me this you need to play up her good points, of which she seems to have many!
 
£4500

I wouldn't feel confident with anyone who isn't very quiet, tactful and with arse glue on their bum hacking her out. I want to be totally honest about this, she needs someone who can ride. Not someone who has ridden for 20 years but just plods...someone who knows tbs and their quirks.

Honestly, she is lovely to have around, just a quirky mare.
 
You don't say how much shes up for? Do you think the price is why theres no interest?

Where have you advertised her? And how long has she been up for?

There are of course people out there who don't want to hack and just compete, but it does restrict your market as many people still want to be able to go for the odd hack.

If you can get her to one or two BE events.
 
Well I think she is lovely :) , and she more than ticks off all my boxes plus I am lucky enough that my hacking is all private woodland... :D
If she is still available in june/july, and I hope for your sake she is not, I would be super interested as I think she is a real little character... :p
the market at the moment is madness, its just a waiting game...
 
We had her on horse select for 3 months and had 1 phone call.

Also had her advertised locally.

Money is tight...BE is sooo expensive, plus OH (who is the rider) is such a perfetionist that he wont take her places until he thinks she is 100% brilliant...makes life difficult!
 
She sounds fab, but may be a bit pricey if she is not the safest or the best to hack, if you think of competition riders most of their fittening work is down out hacking, or going for a hack to the local gallops which means having to be on roads.

All you could try is to get her out hacking as much as possible with other horses who are good with traffic just building up how far you go each time to get her to be less worried about it
 
Yes Luci, i'll have a look for some...however, our BE's up here are few and far between!

Also, the website is out of date...I made it last year before winter when we were actively trying to sell her, so the 'last year with Faith' bit is out of date, and it doesn't include the recent stuff she's been up to.

I sound like I keep making excuses, but to get her out and about the diesel is just soo expensive. I think it's a bullet we're going to have to bite though.

I really do appreciate your comments, all very helpful.

She does hack out with a friend.
 
I like the website. :)

Have you tried advertising on horsemart? Lots of people go on there and its not too bad a price to advertise.

Thats good that she hacks with a friend as lots of people won't hack on their own anyway.
 
I shall try horsemart (I always thought it was a little bit....rough? if you know what I mean?!).

Shame H&H is so blummin expensive!

I think you get a real range of horses on there, but you do get some really really nice competition types on there as well. :)

Yeh there and horse deals as well. But like you said expensive on there!
 
I think for a true competition home her results don't stand out, but for someone like me who wants a real allrounder, the hacking would put me off.

Would her hacking really be an issue for someone who is happy with a more lively hack though?
 
Put her on Horsequest. I have known a lot of people sell horses through here better than anywhere else. Enphasise her dressage results, as they are her only "real" results as such. However, being a quirky, relatively unproven 9yr old mare does limit your market unfortunately. I have a quirky mare, and am quite happy coping with her, but getting her fit for eventing would be near on impossible if I couldnt hack out :(
 
I had very little interest in my horse when I had her advertised the last couple of months. She sounds very similar in that she's a cracking little horse - sound, genuine, good honest jumper, responsive comfy ride, etc - her only flaw is she's **** in traffic, she's even good alone and in company on off-road fun rides. I didn't have many calls and the ones I did have were put off by the road issue. Its really frustrating as I can't jump so its not like I can really take advantage of what the horse is best at, someone out there could have been having loads of fun out eventing her this season.

I won't give her away though, I'd rather keep her and clock up more of a CV over the summer then try again. :cool:
 
I do appreciate everyone's comments.

She will hack out, but she is lively.

Just looked at HHO to advertise and its currently only £50 for 1 week in mag and a month online, which is pretty good.

Kat, you're right, it's her dressage results that should stand out. It's difficult knowing how much info to give out in an advert. Previously I was using the website, but maybe i'm giving too much info and folk aren't coming to see her in the flesh, which is what is needed.

It's a difficult one.
 
It is, and I think you are making too much of her "bad" points. ;) I woul personally advertise her as a "Dressage horse/Potential eventer" emphasise the fact she is fantastic on the flat, scored over 70% affiliated dressage, with more to come. Excellent technique over fences, bold and scopey over Sj's and XC fences and ready to excel in eventing. Low mileage due to time and money restraints. Excellent to box, clip, shoe, traffic. Not novice ride hacking as can be spooky (as long as it is just spooking and not napping etc). Take the website down, advertise her with good Sjing and Dr picks (eycatching, white saddle cloth, boots/bandages, decent sized fence) and emphasise how easy she is to do. People don't need to know all the nitty gritty about her past etc until they've met her and "bitten" ;) It's not relevant to what she is now :)
 
I would put her on Horsequest. Unfortunately the market is not good and there are a lot out there around the same price.I think to get a pro to take her on she would have to be cheaper or very talented. Even if they could get round a few pre novice courses, at her age she will not sell for more that 7k reallisticallly so not really enough profit margin.

As for the traffic problem it does decrease the number of people who will consider her and obviouisly you are aware of that.

Maybe try to get some more dressage points? It is a lot cheaper than eventing!
 
Can you take her out show jumping a few times as a cheaper option of improving her cv? I am currently looking for a good, talented horse for teenager to do PC stuff plus some affiliated sj, and don't mind things like lively on hack, but I would want some proof that she jumps cleanly if I was looking to buy her (didn't click on link, so sorry if there's more on there). She is making a fab shape over the coloured fence, have you got a pic of her over a bigger fence perhaps?

I guess some people are put off by chestnut mare, and some by her size, so that does narrow the market, and as there doesn't seem to be a great deal of buyers out there then I guess if you are appealing to a narrower market to start with, that makes it hard.

Think she looks fab, btw!
 
Sorry I think you are £2k over priced. She has a very limited market, she is a 9yo that has realistically done nothing. She doesnt hack, so that gets rid of the weekend competitor, chesnut mare which puts people a lot of people off very quickly. I would get her out competing this year and with some good results behind her (affiliated) she will be worth that money. There is no such thing as the word potential in a 9 yo, regarding of the owners circumstances.

She sits very much in between 2 markets with nothing either way that would make a buyer pay that much money, sorry.

I sold a super TB mare from racing re-schooled but she was anybodies ride 100% safe to hack, good with novices, competed RC SJ, XC and dressage of 65%+ in novice tests and she sold for £2.5k to a weekend competitor.

I know I have a 6yo Raphael dressage mare in the field, due to circumstances she has only been backed and hacked out so if I was to sell her now realistically I would only get £2k tops as a well bred 6 year old that has done nothing is worse than an unbacked 3 year old with potential.

Sorry to be hard, but the market is tough and TBs are two a penny unless something to back them up either good results or safety.
 
Hi Scally, stop apologising throughout your post, it's ok!

I want everyones opinion!

However ;) couldnt possibly go that low as we'd be dangerously close to what we paid for her and she is a million times more now than she was then in terms of schooling and such like.

Think we'll get her out BD more and get some more points on her card.
 
when I was looking for a horse to buy I looked on

horse hunter
horse mart
horse trading
horse classifieds

Don't know if thats any help? I saw the same horses crop up on each of the sites, it was quite an interesting obsession for a while. But now I have Lola don't need to search anymore, otherwise I might end up buying another one!!!
 
I shall try horsemart (I always thought it was a little bit....rough? if you know what I mean?!).

Shame H&H is so blummin expensive!

I advertised my horse on H+H just on website last year and it wasn't expensive at all - and even better I sold him through this advert. I think yours may be quite expensive with what she has actually done. Mine was 16.3 8 yr old TB who had gone double clear PN and completed 2 Novices. He was a gent in all respects and hacked out alone and in company and I only got 4k for him. Hopefully things may be looking up this year? I don't envy you. Selling is hideous!!
 
Her positive points are plenty. She is a good looking mare who makes a very good shape over a pole and my sticky arse daughter would be biting your arm off if we didn't have so many at the moment!

However, at her age and height I would expect her to be a teenagers dream machine PC teams etc. The hacking out is a real issue. Unless her talent is so exceptional that she could potentially 3DE and someone has the faith that she will, I think she needs to be more well-rounded. I do not know of a lot of people who would pay that money for what may be considered a "fatal flaw".

We are all losing money on them at the moment (says she just having returned from covering a mare - fools breed horses.....!). I hope you are lucky in finding the right person for her she is lovely.:)
 
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