Why Surtees is a rubbish writer

Jerome

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Probably his most famous creation is Jorrocks, whose obese features adorn too many repulsive pictures. Jorrocks was a kind of pre-Thatcherite creation: a self-made grocer who takes over a hunt, and the stories about him contain the subsequent "hilarious" mishaps on the hunting field.

So far so bad, but what makes the stories so weak (and this must account for their lack of admirers today) is that Jorrocks is presented as an outsider, a supposedly humorous outlandish city-dweller in an otherwise rural setting. There is a basic lack of "truth" in this which undermines the stories. If anything, Jorrocks is entirely typical of huntsmen. Hunting was and is about townies "playing" at being countrymen. It is about artifice and make-believe, people pretending to be rural types. In Jorrocks Surtees was trying to generate comedy from the clash of town and country when, in the case of hunting, there is no real divide. Hunting essentially IS townies on horseback. If you don't believe me just consider the figure of Charles Moore or Roger Scruton.

If you want a much more successful Surtees character, look at Mr Sponge, who cons his way across England, duping the inhabitants of prosperous country houses, and in the process riding with the local hunts in his bogus role as a country gentleman.
 

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I've not read it but it sounds like comedy that has some insights into the social context of hunting.

Great.

It's obvioulsy made you think about the subject, which is fine.

I'm glad to see that victorian literature still has relevance to today's world. Maybe I'll pick up a copy.
 

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Jerome, I'm afraid you've missed the whole point of Surtees, and taken him right out of context. Surtees is generally acknowledged by those familiar with Victorian literature to be on a par with Dickens, and some would say even better!

I would say that in your rather weak attempt to hang a theory on your obviously sketchy knowledge of Surtees and his characters, you are simply parotting some anti-hunting desperado who has struggled in vain to manufacture some learned criticism which was beyond his capabilities.
 

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Where was I?

The RS Surtees Society have produced wonderful facsimilie copies of all of his books. With engraved covers and reproduced colour plates they make a great Christmas present, especially to oneself! See:

http://www.r.s.surteessociety.org/

You can also read them online at:

http://www.jorrocks.com/authors/4

Either way I'd start with Handley Cross. I envy you Giles: to have the pleasure of reading Surtees' work for the first time. And surely Jerome's ravings are the best recommendation of all?
 

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Have you read any other hunting literature such as 'Memoirs of a Foxhunting Man' or 'Experiences of an Irish RM'?
I've read them and enjoyed them, esp the Irish RM, Jerome you need to find a sense of humour to enjoy Surtees, the books are just classic.
 

Jerome

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Horses for courses, Bess. I liked Memoirs very much, but Jorrocks leaves me cold. I also consider any sort of decorative prints of him to be visual emetics.
 

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Jerome; of course I respect your right to NOT like Surtees! Its rather typical of an 'anti' mentality, though - the inability to recognize humour etc. But you can't help being what you are, now can you?
 

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Too right, AlanE, antis with a sense of humour would liven the day up a little - excepting Mairi and Endymion actually.
Self righteous and smug is the way to go - and they call us nobs!
 
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