Why We Hunt!

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I spotted this on another web site and thought you all might like to read it. It puts thing rather well I thought.

Why we Hunt - by Quixote

There are those who would consider hunting to be a mere exercise in killing. To us who pursue the sport, it is so much more. Of course, we must confess to the enjoyment of it (otherwise, why would we continue?), but the actual 'kill' becomes less important than the underlying philosophies.

Not just camaraderie, or a love of the wild places, or exercise, the perfection of technique, the appreciation of nature or the things that we privileged few are exposed to as a result of being 'closer to nature' than others. These things can be experienced by those who don't shoot just as easily.

Rather, it is the amalgamation of a set of values and beliefs, including respect for the quarry and oneself, allied to an indefinable feeling of 'self' (perhaps even a subconscious awareness of our own mortality drives us to wield the power of life and death over other beings? That's possibly a bit too deep though)

But who can deny that feeling of melancholy we experience once the quarry has been retrieved and admired? Paradoxically, perhaps, that feeling is proportional to the size of the prey. The larger and more noble the quarry, the greater the melancholy, and yet greater too is the compulsion to hunt it

I think we can safely summarise by saying that hunting is a vocation that is far, far greater than just the sum of its parts. It's an intrinsically complex amalgamation of base emotions and instincts. Taken in isolation, each of these facets become ever more difficult to define in the context of hunting..........with each attempt resulting in an ever-more elusive conclusion. Yet when all the facets coincide, the result is a labyrinthine juxtaposition of ideals, morals and instincts that effectively elude definitive rationalisation."


http://www.greenwellies.org/

The greenwellies site is a pretty good forum.
 

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That is very good.

Anyway, it's good to have the forum back. I thought maybe it had been taken out of circulation as a result of a government crack down on ALL dissenting voices.
Talking of which, if any of you haven't seen the film 'Lives of Others' then may i suggest you see it not next week, not tomorrow, but right now this minute.
 

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Here we go again, more flapping of gums trying to find another excuse for hunting.

Is it for sport? Is it for pest control? Is it for tradition? Is it due to our basic need to kill? Is it for entertainment?

"closer to nature" "love of the wild places"
Many more people can be (and are) closer to nature and in wild places without killing part of it.

"the appreciation of nature"
You say you appreciate nature but kill natural animals to protect your introduced ones.

"including respect for the quarry"
If this is so why do hunters say it is pest control? Why do hunters use insulting terms towards foxes etc?

I have more respect (but still think your sadistic barbarians)for the few of you that actually admit you do it because you like killing things and not making up all this BS to justify what you do.
 

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Wrighty, what a curiously perverted mind you have! Do you REALLY think that people go hunting in order to see animals killed? Be honest, now: that intensely bizarre interpretation was something fabricated by the antis long, long ago.

I and I suspect every hunting person can put hand on heart and say that we find that as far from reality as another galaxy is from us. It is sad that people like you have become so far removed from nature that you do not even understand the basics.
 

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Insulting to whom?

I know for certain that the fox doesn't give a stuff by what name he is called.

May be is just you?
 

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I do it for all of those reasons and I enjoy killing stuff especially by hunting and especially foxes.

There happy now? I'm not bothered about your respect frankly!

I still think your a whimpering clout. With absolutely no idea about the realities of this world. But I do like to see you happy. :grin:
 

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"Do you REALLY think that people go hunting in order to see animals killed?"
Well, someone has answered that one. "I enjoy killing stuff especially by hunting and especially foxes."

"It is sad that people like you have become so far removed from nature that you do not even understand the basics."
I undertand nature and that is why I do not agree with hunting. Where is it natural for animals to be chased and killed by people on horses? Where are the packs of wild hounds chasing a fox for food?
Nature is survival of the fittest or survival by numbers, hunting with hounds has nothing to do with nature.

"With absolutely no idea about the realities of this world."
Sorry, I forgot that if I don't hunt I know nothing about anything. No really, why do you think I have no idea of the realities of the world?

"a whimpering clout"
I'm not sure if that's an insult or not, I know a clout is a type of archery target but don't see how that means much in here.
 

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Wrighty: Notwithstanding anyone winding you up on this board, I have yet to meet any hunting person who goes hunting because they 'enjoy killing things'. If you enjoyed that - or rather if that was your main reason - then there are far more efficient ways of doing it, Join the antis for example, as the iniquitous hunting act has been responsible for a decline in both fox and deer numbers on Exmoor, as the shoot keepers eradicate foxes and more deer are shot to protect agriculture.

Reference your comments about hunting not being 'natural': you seem unaware that the hounds used to kill foxes, not the riders and horses!
 

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... and specifically the most efficient hunter in the wild is the African hunting dog, hunting as a pack. Wolves are pretty good too; and they used to live here and predate foxes.

So hunting with canines seems pretty natural to me.
 

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What a load of bull...t. It is very amusing how people who hunt try to put themselves in a superior position as if they know something lesser mortals do. I have heard these people who hunt giving blood curdling screams of joy when a fox has been killed, it made my blood run cold and the people who were with me, some of whom used to hunt. If you are not in it for the kill why not drag hunt? What a load of cobblers, you are all a lot of yobs who have a license to hunt at the moment but not to kill, but we all know you are up to your revolting habits as usual. You cannot justify what you do to anyone with an ounce of decency, only to each other which is why we get these pathetic gung ho responses from the idiots who think they are clever by killing something smaller than themselves. (Trying to blame the hounds when you are riding behind them and encouraging them to go for the kill is just juvenile - I suggest you join the real world, some of us have evolved).
 

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I think you have a problem. Perhaps you could seek some professional help to sort out your aggressive personality, unless you are being deliberately stupid to provoke some response. I truly hope it is the latter, for your sake.
 

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ye right get a grip, you have your opinion thats fine, but that doesnt make its right! Its part of nature they only catch the old and sick ones, if you dont have hunting they will die a slow and painful death not being able to hunt for their food!
 

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"I have heard these people who hunt giving blood curdling screams of joy when a fox has been killed, it made my blood run cold and the people who were with me, some of whom used to hunt."

Who?
Where?
Which hunt?

Or is this the usual anti tactic of repeating third-hand falsehoods often enough in the hope someone will believe them?
 

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"you seem unaware that the hounds used to kill foxes, not the riders and horses"

There is nothing natural about the hounds being bred for hunting then followed by the hunters, if it was natural there would be wild packs of hounds.

"the most efficient hunter in the wild is the African hunting dog, hunting as a pack."
True, but not bred by humans.

"Wolves are pretty good too; and they used to live here and predate foxes."
Where did the wolves go? Hunted to extinction in this country? Hmmmm?

"So hunting with canines seems pretty natural to me."
Canines hunting can be natural but not when bred by humans for it.

"if you dont have hunting they will die a slow and painful death not being able to hunt for their food!"
That would be a natural way.

"to some of us the only reason for going "fox hunting" was to kill foxes with hounds and terriers as we have done for many years ,and yes the pleasure was when the hounds killed a fox as that was job done . I cared not for the gallop (dont ride horses and never want to) but only to see "my hounds " do the job they were bred for"
Another poster winding the antis up or more proof that they hunt for the thrill of the kill?
 

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"Where did the wolves go? Hunted to extinction in this country? Hmmmm?"

Not by me.

And we've only seen a crash in fox and red deer populations SINCE the Hunting Act 2004.
 

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skid, no need to resort to insults.

You did say "yes the pleasure was when the hounds killed a fox as that was job done" so I read that you enjoy the killing.

""Where did the wolves go? Hunted to extinction in this country? Hmmmm?"

Not by me."

I was not saying you did it but hunters did.
 

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"So hunting with canines seems pretty natural to me."
Canines hunting can be natural but not when bred by humans for it.

Thats comment is almost as stupid as the "Hunting wouldn't be so bad if you didn't enjoy it " drivell.

Canines hunt! Thats what they do! Just as felines hunt. DUH!
 

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""Where did the wolves go? Hunted to extinction in this country? Hmmmm?"

Not by me."

I was not saying you did it but hunters did.

Last wolf was shoot in the UK about 1720 in Sutherland, Scotland.

Hardly a worth while comparison. :grin: :grin:

They also hung murderers and those who committed treason, so it wasn't such a bad period in our history.
 

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"........hunting is ..... an intrinsically complex amalgamation of base emotions and instincts. Taken in isolation, each of these facets become ever more difficult to define in the context of hunting..........with each attempt resulting in an ever-more elusive conclusion."

Yup, that's what I've found

"Yet when all the facets coincide, the result is a labyrinthine juxtaposition of ideals, morals and instincts that effectively elude definitive rationalisation."

Yup, that's what I've found too.
 

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Good to see that you agree. Its takes time for the penny to drop with some people. But when it does and they finally see the sense and reason behind hunting, they are better people.

See you out hunting very very soon.
 

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Or to put it more clearly....

"........hunting is ..... an intrinsically complex amalgamation of base emotions and instincts. Taken in isolation, each of these facets become ever more difficult to define in the context of hunting..........with each attempt resulting in an ever-more elusive conclusion."

= The individual justifications for hunting are hard to justify

"Yet when all the facets coincide, the result is a labyrinthine juxtaposition of ideals, morals and instincts that effectively elude definitive rationalisation."

= And in combination, they are illogical and harder to justify.
 

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Come on soggy, tell me where the natural biyt of breeding things to hunt?
That would be demestication which is not natural.

Wild dogs and cats doing natural things, ie killing for food is natural, chasing an animal for fun, pest control etc is not natural so stop playing the natural card all the time.
 

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Oh I am sorry for not being able to type properly or I add the wrong vowel from time to time, stop being a tit and comment on the issue and not the small typing errors.
 

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Why do YOU hunt???????????????????????????...............................Because you are sick in the mind??, because you like killing??, because you dont have anything better to do???, because you have a small p*nis????!!!.x
 

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"They also hung murderers and those who committed treason, so it wasn't such a bad period in our history"


I would pay money to see them hang fox hunters!!!.x
 
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