Wilkie and beval bits...any difference in action?

[Hippona]

Ok....some advice from bitting experts please....


....so I know a Wilkie bit has its top loop outside the main ring, and a Beval bit has both its loops on the inside of the ring. I know they both exert some poll pressure and encourage flexion.....but is there any difference in the amount of pressure exerted or any other difference in the mode of action?

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[Hippona]

anyone?

Ok...I'll get the voddy out too.

 

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[Hippona]

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[bounce]

I think you'll find that Beval and Wilkie are just different words for the same type of bit, its also sometimes called a loop ring bit, (but I could be wrong). They both have the loops within the ring. I haven't come across a beval or wilkie with loops outside the ring.

The bit with both the loops outside the main ring is the universal and that is much stronger as it is a gag action.

 

[Hippona]

I think you'll find that Beval and Wilkie are just different words for the same type of bit, its also sometimes called a loop ring bit, (but I could be wrong). They both have the loops within the ring. I haven't come across a beval or wilkie with loops outside the ring.

Sorry....thats wrong. Common mistake.

This is a true wilkie
http://www.fyldesaddlery.co.uk/shop/p_gfx/386_image.jpg

 

[bounce]

Aah, I stand corrected. First time I have seen one like that.

In which case that one I would say is stronger than the inner rings as it would provide more leverage/movement.

 

[Kenzo]

I'm no expert but I'd hazard a wild guess that the wilkie and beval will have more of less the same action despite where the side peice attaches to unless the length of ring (that is similar to a hanging cheek) is quit long, perhaps with the wilkie it stays a little more still in the mouth, where as with the beval there could be a fraction more play?

Interesting question, I'd like to know as well.

 

[Hippona]

Aah, I stand corrected. First time I have seen one like that.

In which case that one I would say is stronger than the inner rings as it would provide more leverage/movement.

Yes...thats what I thought too....bit more like a hanging cheek? Thanks