delly&zo
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Please someone tell me, is the white gullet in the wintec wide set the same size as the white for the normal wintec saddle. As i'm going round in circles here. Thank you.
wintec wide confusion
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Tilo
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The gullets for the Wintec Wide saddle are shades of pink, lilac and purple.
Though I do believe that the white gullet fits into the W.Wide with no problems.
Though I do believe that the white gullet fits into the W.Wide with no problems.
delly&zo
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Brilliant thanks
PollyP99
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Yes, I have a white in my wintec wide, my section d ranges from normal red, normal white, wide pink depending on the season!
khalswitz
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Just be careful which gullets you put into which saddles - the regular wintecs can be damaged by putting the wintec wide range of gullets in, and vice versa - xw and smaller gullets can damage a wintec wide, as the rest of the saddle isn't built to be adjusted that narrow. One of my friends got a right telling off by our saddler for having an xw1 gullet in her standard saddle "That's why they make the Wintec Wide saddles!".
ETA - XW being the white gullet, therefore it breaks the warranty if you use a white gullet or smaller in a wintec wide saddle.
ETA - XW being the white gullet, therefore it breaks the warranty if you use a white gullet or smaller in a wintec wide saddle.
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Leo Walker
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Thats not true! You can use red and white in the wintec wides and the narrowest purple in regular wintecs 
holeymoley
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Nonesense. Wintc wides are designed to be used with the three purple gullets and the XW (white gullet) and the Wide(red gullet).
The normal wintec will only fit up to an XW gullet. If you can fit anything wider in that in it I'd be very impressed.
khalswitz
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Link to the website, where it clearly states that using the standard set of gullets, ie the red and white, invalidates the warranty. Whether people do or not isn't the point - they aren;t meant to be used.
http://www.easychangefitsolution.com/easy-change_gullet_system/faqs.html#faq9
http://www.easychangefitsolution.com/easy-change_gullet_system/faqs.html#faq9
Clava
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Exactly (but I wouldn't try anything wider than the white in an ordinary wintec!)
c2b
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I wonder if the confusion has arisen because Wintec brought out a new range of saddles. The older version of wintec wide definately said on the website you could use red/white and the THREE extra wide purple gullets. The newer wintec wide has FOUR extra wide purple gullets and now the website says no you can't use the white/red gullets.
Clava
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You obviously have never read the label which is actually sown on to the wintec wide saddles.
It says "Fit only the RED, WHITE, PINK, MAUVE OR PURPLE gullets in this saddle"
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khalswitz
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The Wintec wide my friend's Haffie has says no such thing, it was checked after saddler brought it up, hence how I know it says what it does on the website - it says use only the wide range of easy-change gullets. However, as a previous poster has said, hers is a pretty new Wintec wide, so could be that the older models can cope with a red or white, but certainly the current model's warranty on the tree is invalidated by using either of those gullets.
Aside from the warranty issue, I don't know why you would put the narrower gullets in anyway - you can change gullet width, but cant alter width at the cantle, so with the narrowest or widest of any changeable gullet saddle gullets, it's going to compromise fit. Putting gullets narrower or wider than recommended won't just affect the tree but will actually really compromise fit.
Aside from the warranty issue, I don't know why you would put the narrower gullets in anyway - you can change gullet width, but cant alter width at the cantle, so with the narrowest or widest of any changeable gullet saddle gullets, it's going to compromise fit. Putting gullets narrower or wider than recommended won't just affect the tree but will actually really compromise fit.
PollyP99
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My gullet change to red was carried out by a master saddler as I had him out to check fit he knows what's he's doing! It is an old wintec wide and easily takes the range I use, no forcing involved no damage to the tree. For a big shouldered cob youngster it's ideal, going for a decent saddle once she stops growing but will always need an adjustable
Clava
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But even on the website it states the extra wide white is suitable in the New Wide range and that is the in the standard range?
"The EASY-CHANGE WIDE Gullet System consists of four interchangeable gullet plates as follows: 1 Extra Wide – in light purple to 4 Extra Wide in dark purple."
Extra Wide is white and the other 3 are purple....
Even on the website is says the white Extra Wide fits the New Wide saddles.
khalswitz
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1 Extra Wide - that's XW1, not XW. It's light purple, as you said, not white. There are four plates, XW1, XW2, XW3 and XW4, in various shades of purple. It doesn't actually not say the white extra wide plate is suitable.
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PollyP99
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You're missing the point, as other posters have said, when I got my wide wintec it only came with 3 shades of purple and said on the site you could also use white and red.
The shades have not changed but they've added the pink, my guess is the very light pink is the same size as white, I can't check as i don't have both but I can assure that moving to the wide but less so gullets is no big leap and is not going to damage the saddle. If it would my saddler would not have done it, he would have rubbed his hands together and sold me a new saddle!
As for why would anyone do it, try owning a section d, they change shape weekly particularly when young.
delly&zo
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I can confirm the pale pink gullet in the wide set is exactly the same size as the extra wide white for the standard wintec. I have a section d so know where you are coming from !
Clava
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That's interesting
What a shame they decided to make things so confusing by changing the criteria with the New Wides and the colours.
khalswitz
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Polly, i already agreed that perhaps in the old saddles you could so i dont see how im missing the point? My point is that it DOESN'T say on the site you can use the red and white, it says you CAN'T. The point was made that the old wintec wides you could, which is fair - but it plainly says on the website that you invalidate the warranty on the tree if you use standard gullets in a current model wintec wide in Plain English. Delly&zo that is interesting, obviously to cover themselves in terms of which gullets are suitable for which saddle, they have made two separate ranges, where some gullets may be the same sizes but are differently coloured and numbered so that the two sets of gullets are only used in the appropriate saddles. It covers them on the trees I guess. Also I did use to own a welsh d, whom i broke in myself and rode to elementary eventually, and I changed his wintec gullet regularly - but he went from black to blue to red and back and forth. He was oddly high withered for a welsh - not a show specimen!!!
atlantis
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On the bates stand today at burghley we were looking at the bates wide and the rep told us you can put white and red gullets in it. Same tree as wintec wide.
If that's not the case then they need to retrain their reps. But if the reps are stating that then you'd have some sort if a leg to stand on if you needed the warranty!!!
If that's not the case then they need to retrain their reps. But if the reps are stating that then you'd have some sort if a leg to stand on if you needed the warranty!!!
Fii
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is anyone else's eyes crossing trying to keep up with all that!!
SuperCoblet
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Wait, I have a wintec pro CC saddle and have the xw white gullet for coblet... Am I allowed to do this or is it damaging the tree?
khalswitz
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Just had a look on te Bates website (can't link as on phone!!) but it says the wide range of gullets for the wide saddle, same as the wintecs. Pretty bad if their website says one thing and the rep another.
holeymoley
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This post is getting ridiculous now!
Standard wintec saddles with changeable gullets will allow up to the XW gullet.
The old Wintec Wide/cob saddle will allow the 3 purple gullets and the red and white gullets you can use in the standard saddles.
Apparently( I have no experience of it) the New wide/cob saddle will not allow anything other than the 4 purple gullets.
Standard wintec saddles with changeable gullets will allow up to the XW gullet.
The old Wintec Wide/cob saddle will allow the 3 purple gullets and the red and white gullets you can use in the standard saddles.
Apparently( I have no experience of it) the New wide/cob saddle will not allow anything other than the 4 purple gullets.
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khalswitz
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4 purple ones. They have added an extra one which is apparently the same size as the white one only pale purple.
atlantis
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So the only real difference is that you can't put the red one in the new wide tree. The lightest purple is the same as the white, which is confusing. Not what we were told yesterday though.
c2b
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I began to think I was going mad. Today I had to change the gullet in my saddle. My saddle was bought August 2011 so it's 2 years old.
On the box that the spare purple gullets came in
and the label sewn into the saddle that someone else talks about
On the box that the spare purple gullets came in
and the label sewn into the saddle that someone else talks about
khalswitz
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I began to think I was going mad. Today I had to change the gullet in my saddle. My saddle was bought August 2011 so it's 2 years old.
On the box that the spare purple gullets came in
and the label sewn into the saddle that someone else talks about
Yeah, it's really weird they're changed it now... Someone up top must have decided having two distinct ranges was easier?
Just out of interest, found this image of the new style gullet gauge, and the palest purple gullet (like super-pale pinky colour) is marked as the same size as a white.
http://shared1.ad-lister.co.uk/GetImage.aspx?id=7136e03d-3dde-44e7-b61d-a8e9844d6b31&num=1&dbid=1
c2b
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The cynical side of me would say they just want us to spend more money buying the very palest pinky one that is the same size as the white one.
khalswitz
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Probably. That and I guess you can buy the whole sets, so that way you have all the gullets for that type of saddle. And I suppose its a smaller label that says 'only the WIDE gullets' than a list of colours...