Woman hunt sab hit by car now remanded in custody...bail refused

[palo1]

Lisa Jaffrey, who was the woman hit by a car during a hunt meeting (driver arrested) a couple of weeks ago has now herself been remanded in custody in relation to a different offence. I am glad she has recovered sufficiently to continue normal activities - alongside another very well known hunt saboteur (Mel Broughton) who is also in custody. Bail has been refused for both of them. Mel Broughton has form for arson and terrorism.

 

[teddy_]

Lisa Jaffrey, who was the woman hit by a car during a hunt meeting (driver arrested) a couple of weeks ago has now herself been remanded in custody in relation to a different offence. I am glad she has recovered sufficiently to continue normal activities - alongside another very well known hunt saboteur (Mel Broughton) who is also in custody. Bail has been refused for both of them. Mel Broughton has form for arson and terrorism.

What a surprise ?...

 

[ycbm]

I can't find anything online about this, where has it come from? What is the offence?
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[Sandstone1]

So that makes it ok that someone clearly tried to kill her by driving in to her at speed? I have no idea what she has or has not done but it has no bearing on what happened with the car.
Or that hunts have been filmed using thunderflashes on sabs? We can go round and round it circles with this but the fact is that hunting is illegal, anyone that does it is breaking the law.

 

[Sandstone1]

I can't find anything online about this, where has it come from? What is the offence?
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Is there a link to this info? Or is it " inside info" ? And how is it ok that she is named but the woman who tried to kill her is not?

 

[dogatemysalad]

Lisa Jaffrey, who was the woman hit by a car during a hunt meeting (driver arrested) a couple of weeks ago has now herself been remanded in custody in relation to a different offence. I am glad she has recovered sufficiently to continue normal activities - alongside another very well known hunt saboteur (Mel Broughton) who is also in custody. Bail has been refused for both of them. Mel Broughton has form for arson and terrorism.

I had no idea about this man, Mel Broughton. His convictions and consequent prison sentences are very disturbing. I'm not surprised he's been refused bail.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

They sound like lovely people

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

So that makes it ok that someone clearly tried to kill her by driving in to her at speed? I have no idea what she has or has not done but it has no bearing on what happened with the car.
Or that hunts have been filmed using thunderflashes on sabs? We can go round and round it circles with this but the fact is that hunting is illegal, anyone that does it is breaking the law.

A)Hunting is NOT illegal.


B)This shows that justice is usually even-handed.

 

[DabDab]

the fact is that hunting is illegal, anyone that does it is breaking the law.

No it isn't. Chasing and killing foxes (and most other 'quarry') with a pack of dogs is illegal. Many forms of hunting are still legal, including shooting and fishing that both end with an animal either maimed or killed.

Strident animal rights activists typically are not that interested in whether something is illegal or not. Their actions are driven by their own morals and they are trying to affect change and/or raise awareness. Fair play to them if that's where their strongly held beliefs lie, but they are not quasi police acting to ensure everyone is staying the right side of the law. Their actions are often as close to the legal line (or over it) as those that are the targets of their activist activities.

 

[Surbie]

So that makes it ok that someone clearly tried to kill her by driving in to her at speed? I have no idea what she has or has not done but it has no bearing on what happened with the car.
Or that hunts have been filmed using thunderflashes on sabs? We can go round and round it circles with this but the fact is that hunting is illegal, anyone that does it is breaking the law.

Where are you getting that inference from? Nothing in palo1's post suggests it is ok to drive at someone at speed.

Neither is hunting illegal.

 

[ycbm]

I can't find anything online about this, where has it come from? What is the offence?
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An hour plus since I first asked. Can someone point to the source of this information? What is the alleged offence?

I don't really think it's acceptable to put up a thread like this naming individuals unless you can provide a verifiable source.
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[Gallop_Away]

Despite my own bad experiences with sabs, I personally felt horrified seeing the video of this poor woman struck by the car. That is never justifiable and I hope the driver has a severe punishment for it!

However two wrongs most certainly do not make a right and it clearly seems there are extremists on both sides.

I do think we all need to drop the pretence that sabs only do what they do because hunting is illegal. Let's be honest if the ban was lifted tomorrow and fox hunting made legal again, sabs would not dissappear. Most do what they do because of their own moral stance on animal rights, which I respect entirely. However that does not give anyone the right to take the law into their own hands and use extreme means to force their views on to others.

If trail hunting finally falls, shooting, fishing and even horse racing (which many may think immoral but are nonetheless all perfectly legal) will be in the sabs line of fire next.

 

[cauda equina]

And then it will be any kind of livestock farming

 

[Surbie]

An hour plus since I first asked. Can someone point to the source of this information? What is the alleged offence?

I don't really think it's acceptable to put up a thread like this naming individuals unless you can provide a verifiable source.
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This took me less than a minute to find via Google. No offence named. I assume there is more elsewhere:
https://www.facebook.com/page/106819084992544/search/?q=lisa jaffrey

 

[ycbm]

This took me less than a minute to find via Google. No offence named. I assume there is more elsewhere:
https://www.facebook.com/page/106819084992544/search/?q=lisa jaffrey

"Page not found".

 

[teddy_]

"Page not found".

The link works for me?

 

[EllenJay]

"Page not found".

Works for me

 

[palo1]

An hour plus since I first asked. Can someone point to the source of this information? What is the alleged offence?

I don't really think it's acceptable to put up a thread like this naming individuals unless you can provide a verifiable source.
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Sorry - I was unable to reply soon enough...Here is the post on CAMP BEAGLE's fb page:-
(There appears to have been particularly active protest and activity in relation to the medical research facility which has resulted in this arrest.) It is not related to the incident with the car and I apologise if there was any sense in which that was suggested)

PLEASE WRITE TODAY TO SHOW YOUR LOVE, SUPPORT AND SOLIDARITY FOR LISA AND MEL.
A third person is also in custody...details to follow.
Wrote to...
LISA JAFFREY A9534EW (She now has a prisoner number just like every MBR Beagle has!)
REMAND PRISONER
HMP PETERBOROUGH
SAVILLE ROAD
SAVILLE ROAD
PE3 7PD
and
MEL BROUGHTON A3892AE
REMAND PRISONER
HMP PETERBOROUGH
PE3 7PD
PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THEY ARE ON REMAND WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE BEEN REFUSED BAIL..THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF ANY OFFENCE. BE SENSITIVE AS TO WHAT YOU WRITE..JUST LET THEN KNOW WE ARE THINKING OF THEM.

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[ycbm]

Thanks. That's extremely misguided, whether they are guilty or not. I'd rather these animal trials happened in this country than overseas.
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[palo1]

Both have been remanded without bail because of the link with Serious organised crime. I too was horrified to see Lisa Jaffrey being hit by a car; it was horrific and utterly inexcusable. I wanted to post this though not because this justifies any act against LJ but because anti hunters frequently assert that monitors and sabs such as LJ are peacefully trying to prevent harm to animals. Also, because of the thread about her injuries etc it felt relevant.

 

[palo1]

So that makes it ok that someone clearly tried to kill her by driving in to her at speed? I have no idea what she has or has not done but it has no bearing on what happened with the car.
Or that hunts have been filmed using thunderflashes on sabs? We can go round and round it circles with this but the fact is that hunting is illegal, anyone that does it is breaking the law.

I have never, ever suggested that. What LJ has done is to recover from her injuries and get right back out there with other animal activist activities. Only this time she has got herself arrested and held in custody because of the nature of her actions and the way in which that activity is viewed by the government in relation to serious organised crime. Her association with Mel Broughton who is a convicted arsonist and terrorist will not be helpful to her and it also reveals that perhaps LJ does not have so many scruples herself about the use of illegal and dangerous actions.

 

[Abacus]

It does make me wonder if there was more background on the occasion she was hit by a car. I am not suggesting for a moment that this was acceptable: I was utterly horrified at that footage. But I do wonder what had happened previously that day.

 

[Sandstone1]

A)Hunting is NOT illegal.


B)This shows that justice is usually even-handed.

Fox hunting with hounds IS ILLEGAL.

 

[teddy_]

Fox hunting with hounds IS ILLEGAL.

Trail hunting with foxhounds, however, is not illegal.

Fox hunting is now a broader term which trial hunting can fall under.

 

[mhorses]

Fox hunting with hounds IS ILLEGAL.

But hunting with hounds isn’t…

 

[Tracking_up]

Fox hunting with hounds IS ILLEGAL.

Your statement is inaccurate, please be precise rather than any attempt at emotive language. Hunting with a a pair of hounds is legal - https://www.gov.uk/hunting/mammals

clearly tried to kill her by driving in to her at speed

And was the car driven 'at speed', is this something you've concluded? How do you infer any intent to kill? Again emotive language, with no clarity.

 

[shortstuff99]

As I said on the other post I know who Lisa is and her daughter. Her daughter rides and drag hunts so her mum knows the difference between legal and illegal hunting.

She also has had some serious mental health issues and now does animal rights activism. I find it a bit uncomfortable her being described as some violent criminal mastermind as the time I knew her she was nothing of the sort. Granted that was pre covid lockdown.

 

[FestiveG]

Given the overcrowding in our prisons, remand tends to be used in either cases of violence, risk of flight, if it belived that the defendant will offend again, or if the defendant openly states that they will offend while on bail, or if it is believed that there may be witnesses intimidation.

 

[sakura]

If trail hunting finally falls, shooting, fishing and even horse racing (which many may think immoral but are nonetheless all perfectly legal) will be in the sabs line of fire next.

Yes, they will. And trail hunting will fall, it's just a matter of when.

 

[FestiveG]

Yes, they will. And trail hunting will fall, it's just a matter of when.

Horse riding of any type will then be seen as a legitimate target, livestock for food, then any companion animal. That is the ultimate aim of PETA, was certainly the aim of ALF, in the past and appears to be on the agenda of many current animal "rights " groups.