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Jo C
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Oh my good god, how could anyone do that? Some people are just beyond belief.
Seahorse
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that is possibly one of the most awful things I've ever heard of in my life, poor little boy
Silverspring
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That is utterly horrific, poor, poor baby
I just can't comprehend how anyone could be so evil
GT_02
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I read this at work yesterday and it reduced me to tears. I can't imagine what this poor little boy must have been through. I hope they never see the light of day again. RIP little man xx
mickey
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Sick, sick, sick people.
And they should go away for a long, long time. I broke my back, I know how that feels. How that poor child must have suffered.
: Disgusting. And also disgusting was the way the paediatrician/social services who saw him during all this did not see that the child had a broken back.
Onyxia
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christ,was crying reading that.
RIP little man,hope you are somewhere better big shown love.
RIP little man,hope you are somewhere better big shown love.
skewbaldpony
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sorry, not going to be popular here, but what the **** were the social services DOING?
it really, really makes me angry when things like this happen, and yet the 'authorities' pick on easy targets .. they are harassing home educating families whose bl**dy READING SCHEMES they don't quite like, while all the time, this is happening to an innocent baby.
Never mind the trendy 'keep them together at all costs' philosophy. Get the poor little things OUT of these homes.
When my children were little, we used to get asked at monthly checks 'has the child been to A&E?' this poor little poppet spent half his young life there. WHY WAS NO-ONE THERE TO STAND UP FOR HIM.
rant over.
it really, really makes me angry when things like this happen, and yet the 'authorities' pick on easy targets .. they are harassing home educating families whose bl**dy READING SCHEMES they don't quite like, while all the time, this is happening to an innocent baby.
Never mind the trendy 'keep them together at all costs' philosophy. Get the poor little things OUT of these homes.
When my children were little, we used to get asked at monthly checks 'has the child been to A&E?' this poor little poppet spent half his young life there. WHY WAS NO-ONE THERE TO STAND UP FOR HIM.
rant over.
Lordy100
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good reason for death penalty to be brought back!
CracklinRosie
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I'm right there with you skewbald, this is outrageous. I got a hard time when my 4 month old baby didn't put on any weight for 2 weeks when I was beast feeding, yet this was allowed to go on!!!
Phheewwtt.
Phheewwtt.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
I am a bit confused by your post, you seem to suggest that you were asked about visits to A&E by social services? I doubt that was the case. If you took your child to A&E a lot, my guess is you would lie when asked. It sounds as if social services were asked to be involved a matter of days before the child was admitted to hospital.
The bottom line here is that two or three adults harmed a child, while harbouring a run away, who witnessed the harm happening.
Please put the blame where it belongs. This child's mother and her partner and the partners friend harmed and killed this child.
The bottom line here is that two or three adults harmed a child, while harbouring a run away, who witnessed the harm happening.
Please put the blame where it belongs. This child's mother and her partner and the partners friend harmed and killed this child.
RLF
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Jesus Christ, what the hell, how many 'warning' signs do social workers need to protect a child. I really do not know how the SW who was involved with this baby sleeps at night.
As for the mom and boyfriend.........I cannot string together a sentance to express my feelings towards them that would be printable.
As for the mom and boyfriend.........I cannot string together a sentance to express my feelings towards them that would be printable.
skewbaldpony
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I am a bit confused by your post, you seem to suggest that you were asked about visits to A&E by social services? I doubt that was the case. If you took your child to A&E a lot, my guess is you would lie when asked. It sounds as if social services were asked to be involved a matter of days before the child was admitted to hospital.
The bottom line here is that two or three adults harmed a child, while harbouring a run away, who witnessed the harm happening.
Please put the blame where it belongs. This child's mother and her partner and the partners friend harmed and killed this child.
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there is nothing confusing. in the 'red book' one had when my children were small, each check up included that question. Presumably if a child developed a habit of being at A&E they began to wonder why.
This little guy was repeatedly taken in with serious injuries.
Yes the mother etc killed the child. But the people who were there to help, didn't.
These people are sick, dysfunctional people, their one sad, pathetic attempt to get help is to take the baby to the hospital, somewhere in the dim, drugged, damaged recesses of their minds, they feel like someone will rescue him.
It's not as simple as you make out.
I am a bit confused by your post, you seem to suggest that you were asked about visits to A&E by social services? I doubt that was the case. If you took your child to A&E a lot, my guess is you would lie when asked. It sounds as if social services were asked to be involved a matter of days before the child was admitted to hospital.
The bottom line here is that two or three adults harmed a child, while harbouring a run away, who witnessed the harm happening.
Please put the blame where it belongs. This child's mother and her partner and the partners friend harmed and killed this child.
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there is nothing confusing. in the 'red book' one had when my children were small, each check up included that question. Presumably if a child developed a habit of being at A&E they began to wonder why.
This little guy was repeatedly taken in with serious injuries.
Yes the mother etc killed the child. But the people who were there to help, didn't.
These people are sick, dysfunctional people, their one sad, pathetic attempt to get help is to take the baby to the hospital, somewhere in the dim, drugged, damaged recesses of their minds, they feel like someone will rescue him.
It's not as simple as you make out.
kerilli
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poor little mite. i wish they'd execute those who did it. i'd happily flick the switch on them.
i trust he's in heaven now.
i trust he's in heaven now.
antiantianti
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When our little boy fell off his chair and banged his head you could tell that they were asking questions to try and find out if it wasn't something else. They did it very cleverly but I welcome that. It's just a real shame when things slip through the net.
antiantianti
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I cannot string together a sentance to express my feelings towards them that would be printable.
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It is very depressing the evil that mankind is capable of. I think there is probably no bounds to it.
I cannot string together a sentance to express my feelings towards them that would be printable.
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It is very depressing the evil that mankind is capable of. I think there is probably no bounds to it.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
Were you asked by social workers, or by health visitors, that was my point about confusion. Or were you visited monthly by social workers when your children were babies?
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
Just one point that may give people some pause for thought: If people were less quick to immediately blame the social worker in everyone of these cases where a child is harmed by it's parents, then maybe more people would be prepared to do the job, thus there would be sufficient numbers of social workers to actually allocate the cases that come in.
skewbaldpony
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Were you asked by social workers, or by health visitors, that was my point about confusion. Or were you visited monthly by social workers when your children were babies?
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I'm not quite clear what you are trying to infer.
My children are 11 and 9 - when they were babies, it was standard practice to see the health visitor monthly until 6 months, and then I think it was another 6 months and so on. the question was in a routine questionnaire which was filled in at each visit. it was standard. everyone had one. if you are trying to imply that my children were at some kind of special risk, you are wide of the mark.
This dear little book also charted their growth, developmental milestones, vaccinations etc.
I know services have been cut back, but surely something vaguely similar is still in force.
Surely and to goodness in this computer age, if a child is repeatedly turned into drs and a&e with serious injuries, an alarm bell should go off somewhere?
My point was that I could see how they were aware, even in a bog standard case, even back then.
Were you asked by social workers, or by health visitors, that was my point about confusion. Or were you visited monthly by social workers when your children were babies?
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I'm not quite clear what you are trying to infer.
My children are 11 and 9 - when they were babies, it was standard practice to see the health visitor monthly until 6 months, and then I think it was another 6 months and so on. the question was in a routine questionnaire which was filled in at each visit. it was standard. everyone had one. if you are trying to imply that my children were at some kind of special risk, you are wide of the mark.
This dear little book also charted their growth, developmental milestones, vaccinations etc.
I know services have been cut back, but surely something vaguely similar is still in force.
Surely and to goodness in this computer age, if a child is repeatedly turned into drs and a&e with serious injuries, an alarm bell should go off somewhere?
My point was that I could see how they were aware, even in a bog standard case, even back then.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
What I was trying to get across was that you were mixing up health visitors with social workers, you would expect that two Health Service systems would flag up a child to each other wouldn't you. You were very quick to condem social services, when in fact you were talking about health visitors.
skewbaldpony
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What I was trying to get across was that you were mixing up health visitors with social workers, you would expect that two Health Service systems would flag up a child to each other wouldn't you. You were very quick to condem social services, when in fact you were talking about health visitors.
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I think we are completely at cross purposes. I condemned social workers in this case, because social workers were involved, which indicates that the child was considered at risk anyway, so how in heaven's name did they allow this to happen?
I was COMPARING this with my own experience, of having children NOT at risk, when EVEN the Health Visitor, who sees (or used to see) everyone, regardless, on a regular basis, was using a system which checked on hospital visits.
I am NOT talking about Health Visitors in this case, to my mind, if a child has a social worker, the buck stops there.
I am not confusing anything. It was merely a comparison.
I know there are good social workers. I know it is a stressful, underfunded, thankless task. But the fact remains that time and again, babies and small children *who are clearly known to be at risk* are left in these hell holes until it is too late. The system is broken, and I am tired of the pathetic excuses we always get, months afterwards after the official enquiry, which is no use to this dead baby and will be no darn use to the next one, either.
What I was trying to get across was that you were mixing up health visitors with social workers, you would expect that two Health Service systems would flag up a child to each other wouldn't you. You were very quick to condem social services, when in fact you were talking about health visitors.
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I think we are completely at cross purposes. I condemned social workers in this case, because social workers were involved, which indicates that the child was considered at risk anyway, so how in heaven's name did they allow this to happen?
I was COMPARING this with my own experience, of having children NOT at risk, when EVEN the Health Visitor, who sees (or used to see) everyone, regardless, on a regular basis, was using a system which checked on hospital visits.
I am NOT talking about Health Visitors in this case, to my mind, if a child has a social worker, the buck stops there.
I am not confusing anything. It was merely a comparison.
I know there are good social workers. I know it is a stressful, underfunded, thankless task. But the fact remains that time and again, babies and small children *who are clearly known to be at risk* are left in these hell holes until it is too late. The system is broken, and I am tired of the pathetic excuses we always get, months afterwards after the official enquiry, which is no use to this dead baby and will be no darn use to the next one, either.
skewbaldpony
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Just one point that may give people some pause for thought: If people were less quick to immediately blame the social worker in everyone of these cases where a child is harmed by it's parents, then maybe more people would be prepared to do the job, thus there would be sufficient numbers of social workers to actually allocate the cases that come in.
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That's undoubtedly true. Like banking, where you can louse up completely, and still get a six figure salary and a golden handshake. Yes that would work.
I think more people would be prepared to do the job, if it was properly funded, properly run, less political, and fit for purpose. Like for example if people thought they would be doing a job where at risk babies would be saved from their torturers, rather than left to die.
The entire system is rotten - in a way, it really isn't the fault of the individual social worker on the front line. But of course on another level, we are all responsible for our actions, or lack of.
Just one point that may give people some pause for thought: If people were less quick to immediately blame the social worker in everyone of these cases where a child is harmed by it's parents, then maybe more people would be prepared to do the job, thus there would be sufficient numbers of social workers to actually allocate the cases that come in.
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That's undoubtedly true. Like banking, where you can louse up completely, and still get a six figure salary and a golden handshake. Yes that would work.
I think more people would be prepared to do the job, if it was properly funded, properly run, less political, and fit for purpose. Like for example if people thought they would be doing a job where at risk babies would be saved from their torturers, rather than left to die.
The entire system is rotten - in a way, it really isn't the fault of the individual social worker on the front line. But of course on another level, we are all responsible for our actions, or lack of.
rachaelv2005
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Excuse me ....I work in a bank and Im paid a pittance........but I can see a comparison.......a lot of the people I see on a day to day basis really do need social workers!!!!!!!
Poor little love, I hope his mother and her bf rot in hell
Poor little love, I hope his mother and her bf rot in hell
skewbaldpony
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Excuse me ....I work in a bank and Im paid a pittance........
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I kind of meant the CEOs! Actually though, the same probably is true in Social Services, no doubt Director's jobs are sought after!
Excuse me ....I work in a bank and Im paid a pittance........
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I kind of meant the CEOs! Actually though, the same probably is true in Social Services, no doubt Director's jobs are sought after!
bennsboy
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This world can be such a horrible place, yet agian I sit these posts reduced to tears at the cruelty that happens on such a regular basis, the pain and suffering that humans can inflict on eachother and animals.
Poor poor child be at peace now little one just let those responsible get all they deserve.
Poor poor child be at peace now little one just let those responsible get all they deserve.
SALLYT
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I cannot imagine the pain that poor little boy went through, clearly the system isn't failing its FAILED.
How in this day and age and also after recent reported cases where the sytem failed other poor children does it happen again. I'm sorry whilst the mother and Bf committed the crimes the social services let it happen and the system if we can call it a system needs to be addressed asap.
How in this day and age and also after recent reported cases where the sytem failed other poor children does it happen again. I'm sorry whilst the mother and Bf committed the crimes the social services let it happen and the system if we can call it a system needs to be addressed asap.
girla
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My God, it beggars belief that a human being can do this to another, especially a helpless baby. This has happened so many times and it will happen again.
This country needs to take a much harder approach to cases like this and STOP it from happening again.
I feel totally gutted after reading that article.
This country needs to take a much harder approach to cases like this and STOP it from happening again.
I feel totally gutted after reading that article.
kit279
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I wouldn't want to be a social worker - it's a horrendous thankless job and they spend all their time dealing with cases like this or the 'near-misses'. Most of the social workers I know are signed off with depression 9 months later and they have such high staff turnover that it's hard to keep track. This child needed continuity of care - I bet he never saw the same doctor twice and that's the real problem. Having said that, the locum consultant ought to be struck off. It's inexcusable not to properly examine a child because they're miserable and cranky. Sick children are always miserable and cranky - that's why they're in hospital! I'd bet money that everyone knew about the parents - bad ones get reputations amongst hospital staff, just noone felt able to do anything.
BBH
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The sad thing is this isn't the first time and it won't be the last time it happens. There was an outcry after Victoria Climbe' ( sp) and still we have child deaths. Personally I think we have to stop all this PT stuff and get to the point whereby if you can't demonstrate you can bring up children responsibly by living as an adult responsibly you aren't supported financially by the state in having children. A colleague at work has a sister who is an enormous drain on the 'care' resources, she is a drug addict has a drug addict partner and two small children who are already showing signs of being disturbed. Social workers are damed if they do damed if they don't.
The bottom line is people who become parents have to be ultimately responsible for those children, and what about neighbours, surely they would have heard the childs screams.
social workers can't be there 24 hrs a day no matter how good their intentions.
The bottom line is people who become parents have to be ultimately responsible for those children, and what about neighbours, surely they would have heard the childs screams.
social workers can't be there 24 hrs a day no matter how good their intentions.
The Original Kao
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i don't really know how to convey my thoughts into words on this.
that poor, poor little mite
I hope you're finally among people who will love and protect you.
how can they name 1 person, but not the mother and boyfriend?
my nephew was badly abused as a toddler by his so called mum and her boyfriend (who is now her husband!)
he had a catalogue of injuries, old and new inc an old spiral fracture of his arm, consistent with having his arm twisted up behind his back, his fingers and toes were so bruised by being stomped on, he had a healed fracture of his leg and various other things.
anyway he was taken into care at around 18 months old, neither the mum nor the boyfriend were found guilty due to her not admitting guilt or pointing the finger at him and vice versa so they both got away with it.
oh and the mum could still have visitation rights to her son if she had wanted!!!!!
anyway he's just started high school this year and has no contact with her (she's never wanted any), he lives with my brother (his dad). it still haunts us all that he endured such horrible things, yet his abusers got off scot free.
that poor, poor little mite
how can they name 1 person, but not the mother and boyfriend?
my nephew was badly abused as a toddler by his so called mum and her boyfriend (who is now her husband!)
he had a catalogue of injuries, old and new inc an old spiral fracture of his arm, consistent with having his arm twisted up behind his back, his fingers and toes were so bruised by being stomped on, he had a healed fracture of his leg and various other things.
anyway he was taken into care at around 18 months old, neither the mum nor the boyfriend were found guilty due to her not admitting guilt or pointing the finger at him and vice versa so they both got away with it.
oh and the mum could still have visitation rights to her son if she had wanted!!!!!
anyway he's just started high school this year and has no contact with her (she's never wanted any), he lives with my brother (his dad). it still haunts us all that he endured such horrible things, yet his abusers got off scot free.