World of showing and wall eyes

[Welshie Squisher]

I have seen a lovely little Welsh Cob, he has beautiful light blue wall eyes.
Now I know this may put some people off but I like unusual and think they are lovely.

BUT I'd also like to do some showing, so what I'd like to know is how are these eyes taken in the showing world?
I already have a Welsh Cob but I'm pretty sure I've never read anything in the breed standard about wall eyes.

Opinions please

 

[zigzag]

You won't be placed

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

It will depend on the judge i think Some accept it some dont.

 

[twobearsarthur]

As far as I can remember wall eyes are only acceptable on coloureds. But he sounds gorgeous. And it depends what level of showing you want to do county level definately no no.

 

[Welshie Squisher]

As far as I can remember wall eyes are only acceptable on coloureds. But he sounds gorgeous. And it depends what level of showing you want to do county level definately no no.

He's a little beauty, has 4 white socks and a big white face and his eyes make him really.

Any idea on how a horse gets wall eyes?
I'm wondering if it's not in the breed, and if he's a registered Section D, where has he got them from?

 

[LollyDolly]

You won't be placed

Well that's my boy out then

To be fair though his eyes aren't really wall eyes, on his passport they are called marble eyes and in fact when you get close they are almost green. I have shown him without any difficulty, then again he is technically a coloured and his eyes are a trademark of his colouring!

 

[LollyDolly]

Any idea on how a horse gets wall eyes?
I'm wondering if it's not in the breed, and if he's a registered Section D, where has he got them from?

One of the horses next to mine is a bay welsh D with a big white face and wall eyes and she is absolutely gorgeous! Also she has done quite well showing, then again I think that she's mainly done hunter classes but I'm not sure, even so she places well at shows so her eyes haven't been a problem

 

[Welshie Squisher]

Well that's my boy out then

To be fair though his eyes aren't really wall eyes, on his passport they are called marble eyes and in fact when you get close they are almost green. I have shown him without any difficulty, then again he is technically a coloured and his eyes are a trademark of his colouring!

Oh he's gorgeous, with a beautiful boy like that, who would even care what his eyes were!
What is his colouring?

 

[twobearsarthur]

If I remember correctly blue eyes have something to do with splash and frame genes. Recessive I believe. The white legs white face and blue eyes would just have me in a second. My girl has all the white but not the blue eyes. And I was looking for a blue eyed pony. Love them.

 

[Welshie Squisher]

If I remember correctly blue eyes have something to do with splash and frame genes. Recessive I believe. The white legs white face and blue eyes would just have me in a second. My girl has all the white but not the blue eyes. And I was looking for a blue eyed pony. Love them.

I don't know whether this will work, but he's advertised on Surrey horse and pony facebook page, the top post:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/1761...22028855&set=o.176139429094902&type=1&theater

I don't want to save the pic and post here because it would be rude to post a pic of someone elses pony!

What do you think? If you can see that is

 

[LollyDolly]

Oh he's gorgeous, with a beautiful boy like that, who would even care what his eyes were!
What is his colouring?

Aww thanks so much, he is perlino!

 

[FinnishLapphund]

He's a little beauty, has 4 white socks and a big white face and his eyes make him really.

Any idea on how a horse gets wall eyes?
I'm wondering if it's not in the breed, and if he's a registered Section D, where has he got them from?

A simplified explanation is that if a horse has a big blaze, lantern or white face, especially if the white expands and surrounds one or both eyes, it is more likely that they have a wall eye/eyes. Last I heard about it, it is simply caused by the lack of pigment in the skin and area around the eye, so the wall eye looks the way it does due to lack of pigment.

 

[LollyDolly]

I don't want to save the pic and post here because it would be rude to post a pic of someone elses pony!

What do you think? If you can see that is

He looks lovely, I would definitely go for him!

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Good memory TBA.

FL - look up the Splash gene. It will cause blue eyes with no white around the eyelids (this seems to occur - from what I've read - when the horse is homozygous for Splash).

The lovely Welsh that the OP likes, looks like he has Splash to me. I think he's got Sabino too as his socks have very jagged edges.

 

[piebaldsparkle]

Personally hate them, but still have a mare with on of each

 

[Venevidivici]

He is stunning I would not tire of looking at him-for me,the wall eyes make him (as I'm not a big fan of white faces) but all the features together (bay,white face&blue eyes) are gorgeous!
Sorry tho,no idea re:showing. (And also,sorry,as it's off topic but there's a worrying post on that FB site.. 'Has anyone got a stallion at stud'...what?? Like they just want any old stallion at all,to cover something?!? Talk about indiscriminate... :-/)

 

[FinnishLapphund]

FL - look up the Splash gene. It will cause blue eyes with no white around the eyelids (this seems to occur - from what I've read - when the horse is homozygous for Splash).

The lovely Welsh that the OP likes, looks like he has Splash to me. I think he's got Sabino too as his socks have very jagged edges.

Sorry, didn't remember that Faracat, I just looked at the photo (of the very cute Welsh cob) and thought that I would call that a lantern or white face, add wall eyes and by old habit , that to me equals lack of pigment. But the eye colour itself, is still a sign of lack of pigment in the eye is it not, or is the eye colour also now only linked to the genes?
( Admittedly, I think it was a lot easier before all these specific genes became known, if a horse was piebald it was piebald, nowadays it can be a piebald with tobiano, overo or sabino pattern and then perhaps throw in something about homozygous also... )


Anyhow, I can't find that the breed information on the Welsh pony and cob society's homepage says anything about wall eyes being unacceptable wpcs.uk.com/breed_information/section_c_d.

However, I googled and found for example this advert for a Welsh cob http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/classifieds/102037-welsh-sec-d-mare-dartford.html, stating that "TWO WALL EYES SO NO GOOD IN SHOW RING" (note, I copied the quote, so I'm not screaming).

So I don't know Welshie Squisher, maybe you have to sit down and think about how important showing is for you and if his other conformation qualities is 100% good? If he's extremely good in all other ways, maybe there is show judges out there that can overlook his wall eyes, but if the show judges dislikes the wall eyes, can you live without showing him?

 

[FinnishLapphund]

... (And also,sorry,as it's off topic but there's a worrying post on that FB site.. 'Has anyone got a stallion at stud'...what?? Like they just want any old stallion at all,to cover something?!? Talk about indiscriminate... :-/)

I don't get that, to me it means that they could be contacted by anyone from the owner of a Shetland pony stallion to the owner of a Shire horse stallion?
Is it so, that as long as he has a functioning genitalia, they'll consider using him? If he's slightly lame and have been a paddock ornament since he was young, due to that his body wasn't suitable for any type of work, will they still consider using him?

 

[NaeNae87]

This is Yatarla Park Fairylight.

She is a 4yr old Registered Riding Pony, Australian Riding Pony and Part Welsh.

Here is a list of her achievements
Supreme Duel Registered Exhibit - 2009 RP Youngstock show, Best WA Bred Exhibit - 2009 RP Youngstock Show, Grand Champion Arabian Derivative - 2009 3 Breeds Gala, Winner of the RP Filly 2 years and Reserve Champion Filly - 2009 Perth Royal Show, Reserve Champion PW Filly - WA All Welsh Show, Champion 2 year old - WA Arabian Trilogy 2010, 2011 Champion Filly & Runner up Supreme exhibit - WA Welsh Youngstock Show, 2011 Champion Large Pony - Canning Districts Twilight Show, 2011 Reserve Champion Large Pony - Harvey Agricultural Show, 2011 - Supreme Pony Hack - Pinjarra Championships, 2011 Top 5 SHC Newcomer Large Pony, 2011 Runner up EWA Newcomer Large Pony, 2011 Reserve Champion Large Pony - Canning Districts Championships, Top Ten Finalist - EWA HOTY 2011, Supreme Pony Hack - Harvey Ag Show 2011, Reserve Champion Novice Pony - Perth Royal Show 2011, Winner Lightweight Large Pony - Perth Royal Show 2011, 2011 SHC Runner Up Large Pony of the Year, 2011 SHC HOTY Best Newcomer Large Pony.

EWA HOTY, SHC HOTY and the Perth Royal SHow are the 3 biggest Showing events in Western Australia....

Fairy also has a wall eye.
If you are doing breed shows as wall eye's are not breed standard, then you would be marked down but if it is just ridden Hack/Galloway/pony classes you should be fine.

 

[AMW]

wall eyes are acceptable in Welshes, goes hand in hand with all those lovely blazes.
Some judges like them some dont

 

[EstherYoung]

I do find markings fascinating...

It's not a given that the eyes will follow the blaze. My Wolf has a big white face that touches one eye and completely covers the other, but he has black eyes and white eyelashes:

In answer to the OP's question, wall eyes may not be acceptable to ardent traditionalists but they wouldn't bother me A good horse is never a bad colour and all that....

 

[holeymoley]

What about my boy's then? His face is the blackest part of him! He's part welsh but coloured and his body's mainly white with black at shoulder and stifle. His other eye is half blue half brown

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b369/kirstynchubbles/a7995a7f317e9a0d2d932ab8ffbff186.jpg

 

[Meowy Catkin]

He's black based, with tobiano, splash and sabino based on what I can see from that photo. In simple terms a black Tovero (although piebald is still correct).

 

[FfionWinnie]

Just to be difficult
Blue eye

2dark eyes.

 

[holeymoley]

He's black based, with tobiano, splash and sabino based on what I can see from that photo. In simple terms a black Tovero (although piebald is still correct).

Oh that sounds really cool thanks