Worming a laminitic

[SamanthaG]

I'm still learning ( lots to read) but I have read worming or anything that can alter the bacteria in the hind gut can bring on a bout of Laminitis.

So what wormer to use? And would you give a probiotic or supplement alongside?

I was thinking Equest Pramox and either Equine Gold supplement or something like Colligone liquid.

I haven't worm counted as it doesn't show tape or encysted red. And no one knows when last wormed. Pramox starves worms so if there was a worm burden at least there isn't a mass kill resulting in possible colic.

What does everyone think?

 

[be positive]

From what I have read Pramox is the wormer to avoid if there is a high risk of adverse reaction, I have had no problems with it but by choice would use the 5 day panacur then worm for tapes a couple of weeks later for anything I was concerned about, it is a bit early to do tapeworm anyway as they will still pick up more when grazing, I would give a short course of probiotics to support the hindgut, I use Protexin.

I am unsure about the starving of worms causing a slower death rate or if that it is how moxidectin works, if the horse has a high burden there will still be an immediate kill off so the risk of colic will really depend on the amount of worms there in the first place, that said in many years of having horses arrive from many different places, some with obviously high worm burdens, I have never had one get colic following worming so it is not something that overly concerns me although I know it does happen.

 

[SamanthaG]

Thank you and yes thats what the moxidectin does. I didnt think Panacur 5 day covered all other worms?

 

[SamanthaG]

I've just looked and it only covers round worm, eyncysted red, threadworm and pinworm.

So would need a bott wormer (Ivermectin) later on also. There is also a resistance problem with 5 day guard as stated in the leaflet in the box, which I must say made me avoid it in the past.

 

[paddy555]

I'm still learning ( lots to read) but I have read worming or anything that can alter the bacteria in the hind gut can bring on a bout of Laminitis.

So what wormer to use? And would you give a probiotic or supplement alongside?

I was thinking Equest Pramox and either Equine Gold supplement or something like Colligone liquid.

I haven't worm counted as it doesn't show tape or encysted red. And no one knows when last wormed. Pramox starves worms so if there was a worm burden at least there isn't a mass kill resulting in possible colic.

What does everyone think?

I would never ever use pramox on any horse, laminitic or not. I consider it far too dangerous.

I also wouldn't worm a laminitic unless I had to. I would always do a worm count. That may discount the need for worming.
The worm count doesn't identify tapeworms you do an equi sal test to rule them out. That could well mean your horse didn't need worming for tapes.

I would also never worm a horse with a combined wormer. I always consider it safer to split the ingredients and use moxidectin/ivermectin etc and then later use praziquantal for tapes.

for my laminitic I worm count 4 times a year, use equest for encysted in late December and equi sal test for tapes. That means only 1 chemical wormer a year goes into him.

If I don't know what my worm situation is ie how high a burden I have I don't worm.

 

[SEL]

Vets advice for a laminitic we got on the yard (no worming history) was Panacur 5 day course to start with to clear the system. They then followed it up with Equest Pramox to ensure everything was zapped, but I think that product is a bit harsh if the metabolism is not 100%. The pony was fine on that regime though.

For my own metabolic horse I did Equest for the redworms, then a week later did Equitape for the tapeworm. Neither can be reliably tested for. I'm a big fan of protexin quick fix and use that for 3 days around worming to boost their systems.

 

[paddy555]

Vets advice for a laminitic we got on the yard (no worming history) was Panacur 5 day course to start with to clear the system. They then followed it up with Equest Pramox to ensure everything was zapped, but I think that product is a bit harsh if the metabolism is not 100%. The pony was fine on that regime though.

For my own metabolic horse I did Equest for the redworms, then a week later did Equitape for the tapeworm. Neither can be reliably tested for. I'm a big fan of protexin quick fix and use that for 3 days around worming to boost their systems.

why can't tapeworms be tested for?

 

[Borderreiver]

You can test for tapeworm using the Equisal saliva test. Approximately 77% of horses do not need to be given a tapeworm dose. http://www.westgatelabs.co.uk/our-services/services/equisaltapeworm
Personally I would not risk worming a laminitic unless it was vital to do so. Keep up your testing, take into account the history and assess the likelihood of the horse carrying dangerous numbers of encysted redworm. Only worm if really needed.

 

[SamanthaG]

Yes I know tape can be tested for.

Im taking everything i have been told by previous owner with a pinch of salt as I've been lied to in the past and would rather start from scratch.

Also i contacted a company that are ment to specialise in lami and they said worming isn't a issue in a lami pony. What link would you suggest i send them!

 

[Micky]

I worm my horse with equest pramox or equivalan duo plus a couple of other wormers, alternating every year..my horse had cushings and was previously laminitic, I never had a problem, the wormers don't bring on an attack of laminitis, though I know some horses are more sensitive than others.If yr horse does get a bout of lami after worming, it might be worth getting your horse is tested for EMS, is on a low sugar/starch feed ( if on feed at all) and soaked hay, and if he/she had bad lami attack, that hooves have been X rayed and correctly balanced by your farrier/trimmer...

 

[Tnavas]

Never had a problem worming lamanitic ponies ever - they have been wormed with the same product as everyone else.

5 day panacur is ideal if the poy hasn't been wormed for a long time.

Will disagree with the poster who said worming for Tape worm is not really necessary - since the advent of the 'mectin' based wormers tapeworm have got a strong hold.

Worm count, bloods and a ssalivs test to check out the worm burden, then worm accordingly.