worming advice please for youngster with bots

[bobbieg]

Hi everyone. In january i bought a 9 month old shetland. I wormed him with panacur granules. I have just wormed him with pramox this week and he has expelled a large amount of bots. In my opinion he has a pot belly which i thought was just grass, but now I've seen what had come away from him I'm not sure. He doesn't look dull, nor do his hips stick out etc.
My question is where do i worm from here? Is it best to worm again soon because of what has come away now? Also im aware I've not yet wormed for tape worm, should i now?
Apologies this is my first youngster, I've never experienced bots before. I will phone for worming advice but obviously it's the weekend so thought id ask you knowledgeable people first. Thank you all.

 

[Auslander]

The best thing you can do is to get a poo sample, send it off to Westgate, and find out exactly what worm burden he is carrying, rather than randomly chucking powerful chemicals down the throat of a youngster.
You say you haven't wormed for tape - but you've just given him Pramox? I am a little bit worried that you haven't really read up on how, what and when - you're just chucking wormers at him willy nilly, hoping that something will work.
You NEED professional advice -and no more worming until you have obtained this advice! Good luck

 

[bobbieg]

I'm not chucking wormers at him willy nilly. The yard is on a worming schedule and we were told to worm with Pramox and so i have done. I am now seeking some advice, not an ear bashing. Thank you.

 

[Auslander]

I'm not chucking wormers at him willy nilly. The yard is on a worming schedule and we were told to worm with Pramox and so i have done. I am now seeking some advice, not an ear bashing. Thank you.

It was not intended to be an ear bashing. It may not have been sugar coated, but what I gave you was what you asked for. Advice. Get a faecal egg count done, identify any worm issues, and worm tactically to resolve them.

Had you said that the yards worming schedule had demanded it, I would have understood that you were just doing as you were told, rather than making a decision yourself, so it would have made sense that you wormed for tape without realising you were. Pramox is effective against, and recommended for tapeworm, and it says so on the box.

I do understand that it's hard to worm tactically when a yard is insistent on following a schedule, rather than taking a more modern approach (FEC for every horse, then worming as required) but, particularly in the case of youngsters, sometimes a different approach is required to tackle worms.

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

Phone Westgate Labs and get an egg count kit and advice, I'm not sure how you recognised bots?
Best to get yard on to a better worm regime, their vets will recommend a program to include poo samples. Better to use a scientific program, to reduce costs and reduce resistance to wormers.
Things have changed, eg the saliva test for tapeworm is now available, formerly a blood test was needed.


" Equest contains moxidectin and is one of the few wormers licensed to control the important encysted larval stages of small red worms. It has a long period of anti-worm activity after the dose has been given (13 weeks) and so helps to reduce pasture contamination. Equest is also less toxic to the natural beetles and other insects which help to break up the dung on the pasture, compared with ivermectin-based products. This means that pastures tend to remain cleaner and healthier where the dung is not collected from the field"

"If tapeworm control is also needed, then Equest Pramox has to be used, which contains the additional ingredient praziquantel. Equest Pramox, in a single dose, controls the potentially dangerous small red worms, all other roundworms including pinworm, bots and all three types of tapeworm. One dose can be given every three months to protect the health of your horse, providing exceptionally good control of all these major parasites.""

 

[ycbm]

I'm not sure how you recognised bots

They are slug like things cream in colour. In an adult horse they are about half an inch long and fat.

OP you have already wormed your pony with a wormer that does every worm type, in accordance with your yard worming program. I would, though ask the advice of a vet whether he needs a repeat dose due to the levels of worms you found. You've used a long acting wormer, so I would expect not, but best to ask.