Worming - advice please

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I have both of my horses on the Equest/Pramox plan. Both were wormed on the 13th July with Equest and are due with pramox on the 13th October. The youngster (14 months) has what appears to be a lot of eggs still in his muck (look like tiny pieces of rice!!). Should I be worming with anything else or just wait until the pramox is due? I muck pick everyday. The other horse (who is 16) is fine.
 
Speak to your vet but I would put try and work in a Pancur 5 day guard now instead of Pramox on 13 October. Also I would take poo samples of both horses to vets for analysis although they can't test for tape and redworm. I would ask them if they could devise a better worming plan for your horses. I take it you are not on a yard but have them at home. I run a yard and have a worming programme designed specifically for my yard.
 
No they are on a yard but in their own fields - not with any others. I will talk to the YO tonight to see what she suggests.

I have emailed one of the worming companies and they think it is tape worm eggs - so a worm count would not pick this up?

Will get a worm count done anyway and go from there I guess
 
sounds like tapeworm segments, I haven't actually seen them in horses and thought they might be a bigger.

The vets could confirm this if you took some in, you cannot quantify tape worm infestation without a blood test but if you are seeing segments they need treating. You can actually see tapeworm eggs when a worm count is done but cannot count them.

I would give the pramox now rather than wait till october, the youngster is likely more affected due to less resiliance than the older horse (though treat this too) and tapeworm infestation is not controlled by poo picking. Shouldn't be a problem giving the pramox early and I think the timescales on wormers are given as not 12 weeks definite coverage but that there may be some infestation during that time.

eoe worm counts include redworm but not encysted redworm, and panacur 5 day would not be touching your tapeworm problem and shouldn't be necessary. What it treats is no different to an equest treatment.
 
It sounds to me very much like fly eggs in the dung. Worm eggs are microscopic and cannot be seen with the naked eye.

If you are following the Eq and Pramox plan it is very unlikely your horse will have a worm problem, more likely that he/she is overwormed with four doses a year!

Tapeworm eggs are often seen in a worm count but the test cannot be relied on to show them, so you need a blood test or to worm for them regardless.

5 day Panacur has it's uses but is not necessary where a winter Equest is used. Both are licensed to treat encysted redworm and Equest has no known resistance at present. This is a good reason to keep it for when it is really needed (the winter dose) and not use it all year round.

I hope that helps, from an SQP.
 
not talking about seeing tapeworm eggs, tapeworm segments which are visible by the naked eye I think, though never seen them. (can't find a google pic!)

actually yes I hadn't thought about fly eggs! though would think they would in both horses. as I said take a sample to your vet they will be able to tell you which they are just by looking and won't mind.

4 doses is the standard amount? though if poo picking very regularly you could perhaps drop the june one? and I know some people only do once for tapeworm but I wouldn't with a youngster
 
they sound like tape worm to me as well personally i would worm with equitape now to cover them and move you promox wormer back by a couple of weeks!
 
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