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aidybex

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Well I've had on and off issues with my horse. We've just moved to West Wales so I've started process again of getting him looked at. We have just moved up from Lincs/Notts and I had a McTimoney person out to look at him.

I was recommended Paddy Davies, who came out Tuesday. I was at work - cue non-horsey hubby being roped in!! He really enjoyed it actually as Paddy got him helping! So the list of work was:
1. Off-side shoulder low, so advised to sit more on the offside when trotting
2. N/S Hip further forward - hubby proudly told me he helped put it back in!
3. 3 or 4 vertibrae were out over his back
4. 3 or 4 were out over his loins

So I had one much looser looking horse when I turned him out Tuesday night. He's not really been ridden much since March/April so fingers crossed he's feeling better and we can get on with some fittening work now. Although is this hasn't cured his problems we will have to move onto Level 2? But I seriously feel I got my moneys worth for him out of that session!

Oh and I've booked myself in with a Ostepath on Tuesday next week to make sure my back is ok too! Talk about a full once over!!!

Can anybody recommend some good exercises or fittening regimes?

Ta
 
IMO it is impossible for a "joint" to be "out", unless you mean dislocated?.

And i'm pretty sure it take more than one person to "put it back in"?

Just my opinion, of course
 
nativeponies said:
IMO it is impossible for a "joint" to be "out", unless you mean dislocated?.

And i'm pretty sure it take more than one person to "put it back in"?

Just my opinion, of course
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As stated my hubby helped......so there was more than one person present........maybe it was dislocated, but he had not been lame behind, a little stiff perhaps. And I mean stiff not lame - there is a difference
 
I have a terrible back, I go see my cranial osteopath every 2 to 4 weeks who does both crania and osteo on me. Both amazing. I am trying to convince her to come see Jim. Excercise why, pilates on a ball is the best one. gets your core strong which supports front and back. Its your muscles that hold your joints awkwardly and your not straight. After my escapade tues I am actually twisted through pelvis and lower back you can see it. I look stupid. Never mind eh.
 
Oh dear---- if your horse had up to 8 dislocated vertebrae and or hip it wouldnt be blumming walking!!! It is impossible for a human to "put back in" a horses joint due to the strength of the muscle surrounding it, you would need a crane!

The terminology used by these "back people" is seriously lacking, he may of been able to manipulate the muscles to free the hip a bit more, but that really is all...... I mean think about it how on earth are 2 men going to manage to pop back in a 600kg horses hip
 
lexiedhb said:
Oh dear---- if your horse had up to 8 dislocated vertebrae and or hip it wouldnt be blumming walking!!! It is impossible for a human to "put back in" a horses joint due to the strength of the muscle surrounding it, you would need a crane!

The terminology used by these "back people" is seriously lacking, he may of been able to manipulate the muscles to free the hip a bit more, but that really is all...... I mean think about it how on earth are 2 men going to manage to pop back in a 600kg horses hip
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I agree with you.

The terminology is flawed.
 
Ladylina83 said:
Aidybex - don't bite just be glad you had him looked at

Bay_beasty - the horse in your siggy is lovely !
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Sorry - I apologies for snapping.........I am pleased - I've owned him since 29th Nov 09, and ridden him for a grand total of about 20 times.....I'm desperate to get going but when I do something happens. He started being sore when I started having lessons as he's never done it before. I'm just worried there is something more going on - I guess time will tell. I just have to cover all bases
 
The terminology may or may not be flawed. What matters is, he came to see your horse, worked with him, and now he is moving better, looser and dare I say it, happier. Job done. :D

Hope it continues to get better!!!!!!
 
I have always been a huge skeptic of back people in general, my friend is a chiropractor and he agrees the give the effort and strength it takes to manipulate a human being there is no way a human could manipulate a horse in the same way.

In saying that a girl at the yard gets a McTimoney person out and I was asked to hold her horse. I was all up for a circus show of vertebrae being out and tilted pelvis (which it would appear every single horse treated by back people have!) but it wasn't like that at all. The woman treating the horse agreed that many people over played exactly what they did but it didn't detract from the benefits of what they do.

A human cannot realign a horses pelvis but they can stretch can ask the horse to stretch their own muscles in ways that will in time start to move the pelvis back to a correct position. They cannot straight vertebrae in the back but they can massage the muscles and encourage correct use of the back.

I think it's all a missuse of words and sadly owners expect the sort of nonsense the back people spout so they continue to spout it! I personally prefer accupuncture (this can only be done by a vet) mainly as I find it less stressful for the horse. Not all horse take kindly to legs getting yanked every which way and accupunture can have similar effect on the deep set muscles.
 
Ladylina83 said:
Aidybex - don't bite just be glad you had him looked at

Bay_beasty - the horse in your siggy is lovely !
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Awww, sorry that made me really sad, thats my Dougal who passed away a year ago through a really horrific accident. He was STUNNING. Glad you liked him, I loved him far too much if thats possible.
 
Glad you got your horse sorted, it seems a lot of chiro people refer to horses limbs/joints as being out. My chiro refers to my horse as having his pelvis out but she doesn't mean the joint itself being out or dislocated, it is normally a muscle issue which is causing his pelvis to be out of line / not quite square or correct so don't worry I am sure nothing on your horse was dislocated.
 
I think I may have sounded a bit taken in - I do understand that with back people they manipulate the muscles which release the joints. I was most disappointed when I had the previous McTimoney appt with my horses and she was literally just pinging his back - I don't know what quite I was expecting to see - I guess I was thinking of my own appts when my chiro had near enough snapped me in two - but I would loved to have seen this done to a horse!!! (Not in a sick way, I hope you understand LOL)

I hope I would be savvy enough to spot my horse walking (well prob not) with something dislocated!! I guess the proof will be when I actually get on board - mmmm anybody know how to stop the rain.....??
 
"out" is back people's slang for "lumbargo".

Admit it, "out" is so much easier to say to us thick horsey people (don't worry I speak for myself!).

All it is, is because ligaments aren't elastic and when they get overworked the muscle it is part of, contracts and doesn't release. You have to give it a bit of manipulation.

Like working a knot out of your shoulder... lets not give them a hard time about it. Fact is, it works. On horses, humans alike. If you haven't had it done, book yourself in. It's amazin!
 
Sorry but I dont agree, Im not stupid, and would like a proper explaination!!! Same as I would if it were me suffering with "lumbargo" :)
 
tallyho! said:
Have you heard of wikipedia? Type it into google and off you go...
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But having paid good money for someone to come out I shouldnt have to "go away and google what they said", I would want them to explain it to me properly- all part of the service no? ;)
 
I guess if you don't ask then you don't know! My bottom line is I'm exceedingly happy with the service I was provided, I have a much happier looking horse - so is that not what counts.

I honestly cannot understand what all this fuss is about - don't like the terminology or 'back' people then don't use them. Simples ;-)
 
The "fuss" as you put it isnt actually about the use of back people- I am sure they do great things for horses that need them- and like I have said do NOT think they are a waste of space.
Its the assumption on their part that "we" as horse owners will not understand the medical terms used so just a blanket sweeping "its out" will do--- and IMO that is wrong on several counts! I would want to know where the horse had an issue, why, what was causing it etc etc, as I would if my back was "bad".........
 
lexiedhb said:
The "fuss" as you put it isnt actually about the use of back people- I am sure they do great things for horses that need them- and like I have said do NOT think they are a waste of space.
Its the assumption on their part that "we" as horse owners will not understand the medical terms used so just a blanket sweeping "its out" will do--- and IMO that is wrong on several counts! I would want to know where the horse had an issue, why, what was causing it etc etc, as I would if my back was "bad".........
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I am inclined to agree with you re: the terminology. I also sometimes find this with vets, that they seem to take more time simplifying what they are telling me, than just telling me accurately and letting me stop them if there's something I don't understand. Although I am not clinical, I do work in a healthcare environment and OH is a doctor and so I have a pretty good understanding of clinical terminology. I don't like being 'dumbed down' to. Fortunately my vet has cottoned on to this and now converses with me as an 'equal' and I stop him if I need further explanation.

Maybe it's laziness, maybe it is fear we won't understand them, who knows. But yes, totally agree: vets, farriers and back people: tell it like it is and we'll stop you if there's something we don't get...
 
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