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I have a pony on loan he is unbroken 3 yr section B part bred as has no parentage on his passport. Registed with wpcs.

Not up to date on his jabs or teeth but I have him on a worming programme and have his feet done.

He won't show to anything higher than a local as has too much white over his chestnut and has a wall eye.

He will accept a saddle and child on but hates the bit so much that I think he needs his teeth checking-I will do that if I buy. He is difficult to bridle.

As it stand he is a companion who my child sits on every few weeks, we have discussed buying him but the owner wants £400. I'm a bit agast at the price as owner is desperate for hay money due to the other 30 horses and I think he is really over priced considering he is an unbroken youngester.

Would like some opinions ? I'm of the feeling either she drops his price to a realistic price or he goes back. Once I've had his teeth done and vacs he will have cost me nearly £600 for something that isn't really that great and I will put the time into.

I've not got any contract or passport for this pony and feel the owner is simply taking advantage that he is sitting on my yard and has been for the past six months with me asking for a copy of his passport.
 
send back and if pony is for child approach local pony clubs to see what is about on loan-but if you have had the pony fopr 6 months and it is showing mouth problems don't leave it get it done
 
twiggy2 said:
send back and if pony is for child approach local pony clubs to see what is about on loan-but if you have had the pony fopr 6 months and it is showing mouth problems don't leave it get it done
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We have only recently started biting him, I've given him time to try different bits and he hasn't improved, I wouldn't leave it if I was to continue doing work with him but don't want to spend money on him if he is going back.
 
If the pony had captured your heart, you would pay the £400 because you want that one. As you have posted this and sound quite negative about the pony, it doesn't sound like he's the right one for you even if he was £100.
 
Faracat said:
If the pony had captured your heart, you would pay the £400 because you want that one. As you have posted this and sound quite negative about the pony, it doesn't sound like he's the right one for you even if he was £100.
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This, you have played your part, and just ask the owner to take it back, mention your concern about the teeth, but it is not your problem, I would be more charitable if owner wanted £100 for it!
Sounds like, you wont get a red rosette at any level with this one, and its fun to get the extra attention a good pony gets.
 
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A ready made safe kids pony would cost you a lot more than £600 (of if you know if them going for that let me know!!) bur if you don't get on with him send him back, teeth might only be £40 and if you don't think he's worth spending that on I agree with Faracat
 
He is a sweet guy but need work, time and money. I've not gone back to the owner with a realistic price of what I feel £100. Pony has been out on loan for a year now. A friend had pony and no longer wanted it so I took over the loan as needed a companion. But he's bad to bit so far and a ****** with fencing. He just has to be the right price as I could buy something unbroken for a lot less and put my time and money into it -is my feeling.
 
wallykissmas said:
He is a sweet guy but need work, time and money. I've not gone back to the owner with a realistic price of what I feel £100. Pony has been out on loan for a year now. A friend had pony and no longer wanted it so I took over the loan as needed a companion. But he's bad to bit so far and a ****** with fencing. He just has to be the right price as I could buy something unbroken for a lot less and put my time and money into it -is my feeling.
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you may see a different pony with regards to bitting if you had his teeth done
 
If you have had the pony on loan for 6 months then I'm quite surprised you havent had his teeth done as part of his routine management.
So that would be my first priority if you feel he is sore
 
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you may see a different pony with regards to bitting if you had his teeth done
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I completely understand what your saying but my edt is £65 and I'm simply not prepared to pay that if he goes back soon. If the owner would reduce the price then it would be booked ASAP. I really really get what what your saying and back, teeth etc are always first on my list if an issue arrises but his price needs to be thought of first sorry to say.
 
TheMule said:
If you have had the pony on loan for 6 months then I'm quite surprised you havent had his teeth done as part of his routine management.
So that would be my first priority if you feel he is sore
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We have only recently started biting him, I've given him time to try different bits and he hasn't improved, I wouldn't leave it if I was to continue doing work with him but don't want to spend money on him if he is going back.
 
wallykissmas said:
We have only recently started biting him, I've given him time to try different bits and he hasn't improved, I wouldn't leave it if I was to continue doing work with him but don't want to spend money on him if he is going back.
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then send him straight back and stop faffing about-pony is possible having mouth issues but you are not gonna get dentist in case you dont want to keep pony-pony is the only loser here-ponies still need dental attention even when not bitted so should really have been done before now.

if he has a problem and you keep putting bits in regardless you could be creating a life long negative association with bits
 
I would send it back, £400 is too high for a poor example of the breed - having said that i think £100 is too low. Hell it doesnt sound like you even like the pony anyway!

As an aside if i was the owner i would be mighty cheesed off at a pony being returned with a potential deal breaking problem with regards to future selling - a pony with an aversion tothe bit and bridle may never get over that all because someone wouldnt pay to have his mouth checked - i have one such pony whose 1 inch long wolf teeth were not removed before he was bitted for the first time

If you buy a pony get its teeth checked before a bit goes anywhere near it. If you decide to loan another thenaccept that even as a companion when you loan a horse you look after it as if it was your own!
 
W - forget about the money, what you could buy at the sales for £5 and the fact that he has a blue eye. Answer one question - do you want this particular pony, over and above any other?

If yes, buy him and if you get him slightly cheaper - great, but don't lose him over a few quid that soon becomes a drop in the ocean compared to the costs over the pony's life. Then get his teeth done pronto.

If no, send him back and let the owner know that he needs his teeth doing. If I didn't think the owner would get his teeth done, then I would get them done before he left as a kindness to the pony.
 
Just to make it clear - we have been trying to bit pony for about three weeks and he isn't keen. I've not left him years without having dental treatment and fully understand what loaning means. I've had horses for over 25 years.

I'm trying to establish if for what the pony is do people think its a fair price that the owner is asking which any issues pony might have. I'm not looking to continue biting pony if he will be going back, if he stays a edt will be booked for ASAP. I really hope this makes is clear.
 
wallykissmas said:
Just to make it clear - we have been trying to bit pony for about three weeks and he isn't keen. I've not left him years without having dental treatment and fully understand what loaning means. I've had horses for over 25 years.

I'm trying to establish if for what the pony is do people think its a fair price that the owner is asking which any issues pony might have. I'm not looking to continue biting pony if he will be going back, if he stays a edt will be booked for ASAP. I really hope this makes is clear.
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if his teeth need looking at it they need looking at even if you stop bitting him, if they are sharp they can be cutting into his gums etc.

as to the rest the pony is worth what you are willing to pay so only you can decide how much that is-I cant see the pony touch the pony or assess temperament over the internet so cannot give any indication on how much the pony may or may not be worth on the market,
 
Plus he's an unbroken three year old and you've been putting your child on his back and he's been good (well you never mentioned that he's protested), so that is something in his favour.
 
Faracat said:
Plus he's an unbroken three year old and you've been putting your child on his back and he's been good (well you never mentioned that he's protested), so that is something in his favour.
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He is very good with children and does have a lot going for him but I feel that owner is interested in if he is broken to then have him back and sell him on or see if I will buy him at the £400 which I personally don't feel he is worth At the current time and it would be my time but I would then have to pay for it once he is fully broken.

He was taken on loan as a companion, I then asked if I could see how he would be with the children and discussed breaking. I'm still awaiting a contract with a purchase price but one was never given when I collected him. Owner has 30 other horses and is begging for money for hay to feed them. I felt if I was to buy him it would help her with the others but not at £400.

Bearing in mind I don't need a ridden pony , children can take or leave and would be happy with a Shetland to groom from WHW which would also give mine company.
 
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W - forget about the money, what you could buy at the sales for £5 and the fact that he has a blue eye. Answer one question - do you want this particular pony, over and above any other?
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It sounds like your answer is 'no'.
 
Just an thought re: price, an stunning coloured pony has popped on my Facebook, 4yrs, 12.1hh broken ridden by kids, safe and sound, £280, it looks cracking. So I think maybe yours maybe worth £150ish that is if you want it?
 
Leaving aside this pony for the moment, the way some of you are talking, you have absolutely no idea of the costs or worth of breeding any pony and this one even has a passport. It doesn't matter that the breeder might own both sire and dam, there are still costs involved including keep of said parents even if they are turned out full time.
Yes, the market is dire ATM, I appreciate that but to say a young pony which you have already been dabbling with and asking more from him than should be at that age so has possibly already been spoilt and you reckon he's only worth £100? If I was the breeder I'd be snatching him back from you at the sheer insult of it.
 
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Maesfen said:
Leaving aside this pony for the moment, the way some of you are talking, you have absolutely no idea of the costs or worth of breeding any pony.
Yes, the market is dire ATM, I appreciate that but to say a young pony which you have already been dabbling with and asking more from him than should be at that age and you reckon he's only worth £100? If I was the breeder I'd be snatching him back from you at the sheer insult of it.
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You are right M.
 
Maesfen said:
Leaving aside this pony for the moment, the way some of you are talking, you have absolutely no idea of the costs or worth of breeding any pony and this one even has a passport. It doesn't matter that the breeder might own both sire and dam, there are still costs involved including keep of said parents even if they are turned out full time.
Yes, the market is dire ATM, I appreciate that but to say a young pony which you have already been dabbling with and asking more from him than should be at that age so has possibly already been spoilt and you reckon he's only worth £100? If I was the breeder I'd be snatching him back from you at the sheer insult of it.
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The owner isn't the breeder she picks them up or is given them from local travellers who don't want the finer breeder or are unable to look after them. If the owner was that worried about said pony in my care she would have ensured I had a contract/passport and and she visited !

I have hardly spoilt him by putting a child on his back a few times and asking him to get used to having a bit in his mouth.
 
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I think the biggest point here is that you should really have had the EDT look at his teeth BEFORE you started bitting him to nip any issues in the bud and to ensure a more pleasant experience for the pony. For a little 3 year old he sounds like a sweetheart and I think you could fo worse for the money. Just MHO X
 
wallykissmas said:
We have only recently started biting him, I've given him time to try different bits and he hasn't improved, I wouldn't leave it if I was to continue doing work with him but don't want to spend money on him if he is going back.
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Maybe if you stopped biting him he'd be better? :p

Still agree with others that teeth should have been checked before bitting him. He doesn't sound like the right one for you from what you've said - not getting the feeling you really like him.
 
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