dorsetladette
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Tempting though!
WWYD -Livery Issues
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Tempting though!
emilylou
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Yes, not advice given to follow, a joke made out of frustration. I think the OP understood that.
KittenInTheTree
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Let's all try to keep in mind that this is a living, breathing animal, and not simply an inconveniently parked car or item of uncollected furniture. The pony in question may be poorly put together and have bad habits, but it is not her fault if her owner doesn't take responsibility for her. Also, today is only the 1st of October, and some people can simply be slow to arrange things. The owner could very well turn up with the money owed and remove the pony.
OP, in the event that you do end up with the actual legal right to sell the pony on due to genuine abandonment etc, then please feel welcome to PM me on here. I am prepared to offer her a home for the cost of transportation from your location to here (NI), plus £1 on top.
OP, in the event that you do end up with the actual legal right to sell the pony on due to genuine abandonment etc, then please feel welcome to PM me on here. I am prepared to offer her a home for the cost of transportation from your location to here (NI), plus £1 on top.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
KITT, in the nicest possible way, you’re barking mad offering to take a fence trasher on.
dorsetladette
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KITT - I do appreciate that the pony is a living breathing animal. I also get that the owner may find it difficult to find suitable long term grazing that would mean she wouldn't have to move again (get kicked off). So I have been as accommodating as possible (at the expense of my relationship at times) because if I was in that situation I would want someone to be understanding with me. But, I would also go out of my way to do everything possible to keep the pony from damaging anything else while she was still there.
For being slow to arrange things - she's had since the beginning of August. We agreed the end of September and I stated then that if she needed longer to come and speak to me. but she hasn't, in fact she has done everything she can to avoid speaking to me - which I find just rude quite frankly.
I don't think I will end up with a pony to rehome as I think she will eventually take her somewhere else. Its a very kind offer you have made, but honestly the stress of not knowing if your fencing is still up in the morning is not something I would wish on anyone. I wouldn't want to put your other animals at risk, like mine are currently.
The Bouncing Bog Trotter
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Abandonment notice as has been suggested several times and take a photo of it and send it to every contact you have for her and I form her very clearly of the deadline. If she is still not caring for the horse she has abandoned it, regardless of whether she says she has going new grazing or not.
shamrock2021
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Just sale the horse ( free to a good home) You will get rid of the horse . You can legally do it under animal abandonment laws . Let be real she is not going to move the horse she just looking for free grass livery .
I have seen this myself I used to be in a riding school when I was a young child so many horses were dumped and the owner was never seen again. the riding school took ownership of the horse and sold them or if they were suitable they Use them in lessons.
I have seen this myself I used to be in a riding school when I was a young child so many horses were dumped and the owner was never seen again. the riding school took ownership of the horse and sold them or if they were suitable they Use them in lessons.
sharni
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take the horse round to her house and leave it in the garden
HeyMich
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I love this plan. Produce a FB advert, saying collection from Weds onwards, tag the livery owner in the advert, and copy to her on FB messenger. That should make her respond to your FB messages pretty quick sharp! If she really has blocked you, then a friend of hers or two should see the advert and let her know.
dorsetladette
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I've put a message on facebook earlier and tagged her in it asking her to get in touch regarding moving the horse. Its been up nearly 2 hours and not a sound.
I'll crank it up this evening and say I have booked transport and need a delivery address or will give transport her home address (or the pub where she works)
I'll crank it up this evening and say I have booked transport and need a delivery address or will give transport her home address (or the pub where she works)
Goldenstar
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Go for it .
These people prey on niceness .
These people prey on niceness .
Polos Mum
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Make sure to mention in the FB post that the pub garden is nice and secure so would be an ideal place for the pony for a few days while she sorts out the place she's moving to permanently.
stormox
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Depends what its like to ride.....
Pedantic
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Why are so many people such a PITFA in the horsey world, whether its not checking their horses, not doing their share of stuff like ragworting etc etc, making a mess across yards and not cleaning it up, far too many from my personal experience, really annoying for the rest of us who work hard to be good liveries, I could write a book on it, from dick head yard owners to dick head liveries to idiot members of the public when out hacking. NOA.
Abby-Lou
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One livery yard owner near me did just that except they shot the horse first and dumped in the owners garden with a digger, you can imagine the uproar ! all very odd as it never went to court
honetpot
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If you had been through the stress of this in what is essentially your own home, I doubt if you would be so forgiving, I have and it is an extremely stressful experience, and I am not easily stressed.
A contract is only good if you can get damages in court from someone, and then you still have to get the money out of them, they usually have a track record of unpaid debts and I doubt your kind offer of a £1 will cover her expenses.
I would serve the abandonment notice, as the rules state, and take possession of the pony ,the whole I'll move it when...., is just stalling. Supposedly my unwelcome guest wanted to leave, but it took over six weeks and further bad debts, before I got rid of her, she used to come every day and take my eviction notice down. It's actually easier when they don't come.
ROMANY 1959
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Any travellers nearby. They would take it
dorsetladette
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I remember reading about that. Something didn't quite add up with that story.
dorsetladette
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Like a camel ?
? really not my cup of tea tbh. But it does hack out in company. Owner won't go out on her own.dorsetladette
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So bit of an update.
Ive had a reply. Fencing all done just waiting for landowner to confirm a date to move on. Still hasn't confirmed she got transport sorted tho.
Ive had a reply. Fencing all done just waiting for landowner to confirm a date to move on. Still hasn't confirmed she got transport sorted tho.
Polos Mum
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Honestly having dealt with these people that will all be BS - put up the abandonment notice and set the ball rolling. It's sad but you really have to go to some extreme measures with some people
AmyMay
Situation normal
And has she given a reason for not coming to see the horse, or pay her bills?
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Despite her assurances, get the abandonment notice in place anyway. You may need it yet.
little_critter
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Yup, posting the abandonment notice may spur her on to press the new yard for a moving in date. If the fencing is sorted there should be no more delay so say that either the horse is removed within a week (or whatever time period is legal and reasonable) or you deliver it to her house.
dorsetladette
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The only question I'm asking is when is she leaving. The bills I've sort of written off mentally. As for coming to see horse, I do them anyway and she knows that. Got behind with the poo picking so ill chain harrow once she's gone.
The Xmas Furry
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I'd send reply back as follows:
If pony not removed by 9am on Saturday, then I'm serving an abandonment notice. I suggest you act promptly. Regards,
canteron
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Sounds like she would like you to solve her problem of no longer wanting a pony.
But do it correctly legally or I am sure she will be after you for money.
Poor pony -I feel it’s problems may be worse than yours ?
But do it correctly legally or I am sure she will be after you for money.
Poor pony -I feel it’s problems may be worse than yours ?
dorsetladette
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I don't think she doesn't want pony. She's owned it since a foal and it's around 10 now. Just doesn't want the work involved of owning one.
I really don't want this pony - really not my cup of tea.
I think if mare was on a yard in a proper routine with her mind kept occupied she would probably make someone a nice happy hacker. But she really needs some firm and consistent handling. My pet hate is horses not respecting personal space. And that's just one of her issues
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite
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Unfortunately a livery contract isn't worth the paper its written on TBH - unless it is drawn up by a solicitor and signed witnessed & dated (at huge expense), BUT you do need one to be in place (if that isn't a contradiction in terms). But as you've found, legally it has zilch clout.
What a horrible situation you are in; as a YO myself I can sympathise intensely with your plight.
Are you a BHS Gold member? In which case you could ring their helpline. Or consult a legal person locally who has experience in these matters - but it will cost you if you do manage to find anyone half-decent.
I agree that Small Claims wouldn't be worth the hassle in this instance - but you could say that you intend to "pursue the matter"....... OR indeed it might be worth getting a Legal to write a letter for you.
I would go the "Abandonment" route. If you know where this woman lives then send a Recorded Delivery letter detailing your outstanding expenses to date - and informing her that as from X..... date that unless she settles your account and removes her horse(s) then they will be sold and the proceeds used to cover your debt.
FFS what is wrong with people?
brighteyes
Pooh-Bah
I remember that case!