Polos Mum
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The BHS website has full templates - if you google BHS abandonment you'll find them. We're Monday pm now so even if you leave it to Wednesday pm it'll give you 48 hours to find a new owner.
WWYD -Livery Issues
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Scotsbadboy
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Im with a couple of others in the petty corner and it would have been tethered on her front lawn long ago! Having dealt with a 'friend' who pretty much abandoned two ponies on my land when i helped her out, i wouldnt tolerate it half as much again. In the end she was threatened with legal and an abandonment notice and thankfully the poor things were gone within two days and we never spoke again although i did get a message asking for a reference and i told them to avoid her like the plague!
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
It’s all here.
https://www.bhs.org.uk/advice-and-information/the-law/abandonment-and-fly-grazing
Make sure you’ve done these three things.
https://www.bhs.org.uk/advice-and-information/the-law/abandonment-and-fly-grazing
Make sure you’ve done these three things.
dorsetladette
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I've got 3 copies up at the field. I was told that was enough as she should have checked her horse daily. But I have photos from when they were put up I will send one to her. Our police station is only open 9-5 (ridiculous I know) so I will call and see if I can email or drop a copy in tomorrow lunchtime maybe.
WandaMare
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I would ring her employer and explain the situation or at least tell her you're going to. You can say you're going to try and get the money directly from them. Most people don't like their dirty linen being discussed at work, they keep the two different worlds completely separate. I wouldn't have the backbone to sell either.
If someone threatened to tell my boss that I was being such a public nuisance I would be quite worried so it might be worth a try.
If someone threatened to tell my boss that I was being such a public nuisance I would be quite worried so it might be worth a try.
The Xmas Furry
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Be prepared to speak in simple language, the average police person isn't always clued up on equine stuff. If they say they cant help, I would mention that this is the 1st and only legal step to evicting a non paying person's equine under current legislation. That you merely want them to note the contents of the paperwork, perhaps sign a copy to note that the paper was presented to them, to cover yourself from any potential future accusations of denying the legal owner of their property.
dorsetladette
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What would I do about a passport? I couldn't get that sorted by wednesday.
9tails
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Are you hoping to have this horse dumped on you permanently? It seems from earlier posts that this lady isn't going to give up ownership, but needs a swift sharp kick up the jacksie to move her off your property. You don't want the horse, so do the swift sharp kick.
meleeka
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If it’s your horse on Wednesday you can then apply for a passport. I’m pretty sure anyone who buys a cheap horse won’t care if it has a passport or not tbh, so I’d probably sell it anyway but that’s probably not strictly legal (although you’d be very unlucky to have that law enforced).
jnb
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It's all here - you don't need a passport.
https://www.bhs.org.uk/advice-and-information/the-law/abandonment-and-fly-grazing
This woman needs to realise you mean business (In the kindest way possible, I can see how she thinks she can get away with it, you are finding every reason possible to avoid making her face up to her responsibilities!)
You've done the abandonment notice. At the end of tomorrow the 4 working days have passed. I suggest you tell her you will be leaving the horse at her place of work on a tether and notifying the police, or selling the animal to the highest bidder/giving it away on Wednesday morning.
If you have to post it in all your local Facebook Horsey pages, on her Facebook wall, via message, WhatsApp, by sticking a poster on her workplace door, then do it.
She thinks, you will let her keep taking the pee.
She thinks you are soft touch and will just keep shoring up your fences and feeding your own horses hay, to her horse.
She thinks you'll just thank her when she finally - if ever - takes it away leaving a trail of destruction and eaten hay.
Show her you're standing up for your own horses! You wouldn't allow someone with a crazy stallion to leave it in with your horses and kick them to shreds & eat all their food, don't let this woman get away with it! Get angry (or set your OH on to her..?)
I'm so angry on your behalf. No one should treat anyone else this way. I wish I were closer and I'd take the horse down there for you!
Polos Mum
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It is illegal to sell a horse without a passport - BUT not to buy one without a passport.
So why don't you give the horse to whoever will settle up the ex owners hay debt?
Then you are not selling - you can write a receipt to say gifted. It's fine for them to buy without passport so they are covered.
And you get £200-£300 to replace the hay you've given it/ a few fence rails.
So why don't you give the horse to whoever will settle up the ex owners hay debt?
Then you are not selling - you can write a receipt to say gifted. It's fine for them to buy without passport so they are covered.
And you get £200-£300 to replace the hay you've given it/ a few fence rails.
jnb
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Any update, OP?
dorsetladette
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We're looking at Thursday or Friday by the looks of things.
I'll update with more later - just starting a webinar
I'll update with more later - just starting a webinar
KittenInTheTree
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It's not up to me to cover anyone else's expenses. I have offered to provide the OP with an option for rehoming the animal in question should they need it. That offer still stands. If they decide to sell or gift the animal to someone else instead, that's up to them, and I wish them well with it.
samleigh
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We tethered out ponies for years and years, the only grazing we had was the river bank when I was younger, never had an incident, very occasionally they would pull the stake out and go for a wander for better grass, but we moved them regularly, every other day.
dorsetladette
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Right, just had my brain fried with reserve charge VAT by a woman who sounded very nasally.
Anyhow, I spoke to livery this morning (probably prompted by me sending her a photo of the abandonment notice). Apparently the ditches around the new field are being cleared today or tomorrow and then she is good to move on after that. I responded (little white lie, only one moving and borrowing a friends pony as companion for other) by saying both my horses are moving saturday morning (mare wont stay put on her own) so the last possible day to move her will be friday. If she is still there saturday morning I will be enforcing the abandonment notice and the mare will be dropped at the abattoir on the way past as leaving her on the field alone will become a welfare issue.
It seems to have sharpen her focus! I must of had a flaky day yesterday.
Anyhow, I spoke to livery this morning (probably prompted by me sending her a photo of the abandonment notice). Apparently the ditches around the new field are being cleared today or tomorrow and then she is good to move on after that. I responded (little white lie, only one moving and borrowing a friends pony as companion for other) by saying both my horses are moving saturday morning (mare wont stay put on her own) so the last possible day to move her will be friday. If she is still there saturday morning I will be enforcing the abandonment notice and the mare will be dropped at the abattoir on the way past as leaving her on the field alone will become a welfare issue.
It seems to have sharpen her focus! I must of had a flaky day yesterday.
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AmyMay
Situation normal
Well done you!!
Polos Mum
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I bet you £5 cheque in the post that some emergency / illness / plague of locusts happens on Friday so that could you just have her a few more days
I hope I'm wrong !
Someone will take the pony so maybe line up the poster on here who said they'd have her - save you're diesel to the slaughterhouse
I hope I'm wrong !
Someone will take the pony so maybe line up the poster on here who said they'd have her - save you're diesel to the slaughterhouse
dorsetladette
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Dasher66
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Well done and don't give in.
Scotsbadboy
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She'll have an excuse Friday, it wont be this easy. OP you need to follow through with this. I hated doing it, i felt horrified i would have to back up the legal threat and abandonment notice but you have to follow through otherwise she wont go!
I'd go quiet now and then gift the horse to someone who settles the hay bill!
I'd go quiet now and then gift the horse to someone who settles the hay bill!
adamntitch
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Has no on thought she could be reading this just a thought
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Good. Then she’ll know that the OP will dispose of the pony, ok, maybe not to the abbatoir, but she will be gone.
dorsetladette
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I did think about putting this in the club house, but actually I'm not really bothered if she see's it.
chaps89
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She's behaved appallingly- livery not OP!
Things like this make me sad. I was a private livery sharing a field in a similar set up to OPs for years and it worked well and I'd love to find the same again! We aren't all bad.
However I can understand if your OH (and you OP!) Are put off for life, what a disaster.
I really hope she doesn't test you and come up with an excuse for Friday but that she gets the wind up her and gets a wiggle on moving that horse.
I would however have a back up plan in place as to what you're going to do if she doesn't move the horse on Friday - and follow through with it if needsbe!
I suspect give her an inch she'll take a mile so if she doesn't go and there's no consequences I can foresee this being dragged out.
Things like this make me sad. I was a private livery sharing a field in a similar set up to OPs for years and it worked well and I'd love to find the same again! We aren't all bad.
However I can understand if your OH (and you OP!) Are put off for life, what a disaster.
I really hope she doesn't test you and come up with an excuse for Friday but that she gets the wind up her and gets a wiggle on moving that horse.
I would however have a back up plan in place as to what you're going to do if she doesn't move the horse on Friday - and follow through with it if needsbe!
I suspect give her an inch she'll take a mile so if she doesn't go and there's no consequences I can foresee this being dragged out.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Yup, no extensions, OP, no matter what the sob story.
adamntitch
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Ment more if she sees it as empty threats due to some of the things said
9tails
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It seems Dorsetladette has reached the end of her tether. If the pony doesn't go on Friday, she'll be sold on.
dorsetladette
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She will be leaving my land one way or another this week.
I have. My horses are my hobby and my time to clear my head and relax. It's not relaxing at the moment.
QueenBella
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Any update dorsetladette?