WWYD - loose dogs on hacking routes

Barlow

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I’d really appreciate some advice:

I am at livery and there are several yards in close proximity. The majority of hacking is over bridleways, forestry commission and moorland. We are well used to sharing the tracks, bridlepaths and routes with people, children, dogs etc and normally never feel under threat / bothered by other users of the land.

However, we do occasionally get bothered by two dogs that run loose at speed across the tracks, and we have also seen the same dogs in private gardens in full flight whilst chasing deer. The owner is never to be found. This has been going for a period of nine months or so and it can be terrifying to see a large dog galloping straight towards you at speed. Luckily I have a very level headed horse but he does find it unsettling especially when they burst out onto the tracks from nowhere.

On a hack this morning, I was out with another livery and the dogs came running down the track from behind us and overtook our horses from behind. The horses were upset but settled. We then saw the owner of the dogs getting out of their car where she had been sitting and opening the boot, into which both dogs promptly jumped. I rode up to her car and spoke to her through her window, she admitted that she always just lets her dogs out to exercise themselves and that “they are fine with horses”. I was pretty annoyed with her complete lack of ownership of the dogs, the fact that she lets her dogs take themselves for a run across land which is used by other members of the public whilst she waits for them in her car and I warned her that she was risking her dogs causing an accident with horses or young children (they are large dogs). She wound her window up and drove off. I didn’t get her reg number.

I then saw someone from another yard coming up the lane. I let her know that I had had words with the woman with the dogs, and she told me that last week she had been opening a gate from the road for their horse to go through, the dogs were flying down the track towards the gate and the road. The dogs went straight under the horse between its front and rear legs, luckily the rider managed to stay on but the horse was very upset.

So rightly or wrongly I have had words with the owner of the dogs, but I don’t think it will make much difference to her attitude or behaviour. I don’t know what else to do - it’s the only reasonable piece of hacking unless I do extensive roadwork, and I’m worried that sooner or later one of us riders will have a serious accident caused by dogs that are running loose across public land. Is this a matter for the police? Is it something I could talk to a dog warden about? I’d really appreciate some help about how I can encourage this individual to actually walk her dogs, or keep them under control. WWYD?
 

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To me they appear to be dangerous dogs out of control. With everything in the news report it to police and they will have to take it seriously. Just because your horse is good, others aren't, it is an accident waiting to happen. Do you wear a hat cam?
I’m saving up for a hat cam. I’ve noted the times the dogs tend to be on the loose so I intend to be in the car park to film what the woman does with them as a starting point.
 

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Thank you. I was thinking about whether trying to keep a log of all the events involving the dogs might help or getting lots of others on the yard and the nearby yards to also contact them at the same time so it is more of a thing rather than just one person saying something.
Just report her. Type of dogs. Car make and model and relevant times.
 

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Finger crossed 🤞 for you and the other users that having been told the dog owner now realises that her dogs are stupid and she finds somewhere else to let them have a good run.
We took to facing loose dogs head on, dogs do not like to think horses are chasing them.
 

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Do you think she's local? I sorted one local whose terrier "loved horses" with a snotty post on the local FB page explaining what would happen to a small dog under a horse's legs if it didn't "love dogs"

I also pointed out they would be liable for damage to horses and riders.

The terrier is now walked on a lead.
 

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She may be committing an offence. Fairly sure you cannot have loose, unattended dogs roaming free on your own property, so running loose and unattended on open land would possibly constitute straying and not under control? Do you have any sheep grazing nearby? That would strengthen your case if you were to report.
 

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Grrrrr. Don’t own a dog if you don’t want to walk or train it.

Hopefully you’ve scared her off OP, definitely photo and report as well. The dog warden in our area (SW) was really good when we had issues with off lead aggressive 2 dogs that terrified my (on lead) spaniels. :(
 

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Grrrrr. Don’t own a dog if you don’t want to walk or train it.

Hopefully you’ve scared her off OP, definitely photo and report as well. The dog warden in our area (SW) was really good when we had issues with off lead aggressive 2 dogs that terrified my (on lead) spaniels. :(
These two dogs don’t sound aggressive though, just out loose. I suspect the dog warden and the police won’t be interested in doing anything.
 

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These two dogs don’t sound aggressive though, just out loose. I suspect the dog warden and the police won’t be interested in doing anything.
It doesn't matter they are basically running around on their own they could cause a serious accident, I hate dogs running towards me when I'm riding most horses don't like it either.

The woman is an idiot.
 

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It doesn't matter they are basically running around on their own they could cause a serious accident, I hate dogs running towards me when I'm riding most horses don't like it either.

The woman is an idiot.
Of course it matters and as riders we would wish dogs to be on a lead when we go past, I’m just not sure the police would be interested though in dogs that are just running past as much as we would like them not to do that.
 

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Of course it matters and as riders we would wish dogs to be on a lead when we go past, I’m just not sure the police would be interested though in dogs that are just running past as much as we would like them not to do that.
True the police don't have time for much lately I suppose unruly dogs are way down the list.
 

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If they are chasing deer that is illegal.
I think you will it’s illegal for you make your dog chase deer.

Op you need to get her car reg and make you need to try to find where she lives , this should easy if your in the countryside .
We would have her tracked down very quickly round here .
you should to get local horsey people to make a note of any incidents.
You need to go to the police and the dog warden
 
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I think I would try and catch her doing it again and say something to her.

Someone in the woods opposite me kept loosing their dog and I found it running about in my field on several occasions, one time it was chasing a muntjac right through my field I managed to head it off but I then walked down the lane to see who it belonged to.

I saw a woman walking it down the road so I told her I would shoot the bloody thing if I saw it again on my land, not seen it since thankfully but I regularly hear people calling their lost dogs sometimes for hours so god knows what they are doing.
 

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Of course it matters and as riders we would wish dogs to be on a lead when we go past, I’m just not sure the police would be interested though in dogs that are just running past as much as we would like them not to do that.
I think it depends I think if Op and other riders are invested enough to get organised I think the police might call and talk to her which might be enough to amend her behaviour .
 

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To me, 2 dogs running towards me with no owner are out of control and potentially dangerous. My horse may freak causing an accident with possible injuries to her, myself, the dogs and anything else that was nearby..that is dangerous. Hyped up dogs can then also turn to biting.
Just a disaster waiting to happen.
 

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Definitely report the owner, the police should not wait for a serious incident before taking action. The owner would probably not class them as aggressive, but just about every fatal or serious incident with dogs seems to come from owners who say that the dog was a gentle family pet who would not hurt a fly.
 
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