Wwyd? Stable drama

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Hi I struggled to come up with title so excuse if it isn’t relevant but there’s drama going on.
I’m writing on behalf of a friend who’s still at my old yard(I moved week ago and it’s been the best decision) to see if anyone ever had similar situation and how it was dealt with. This is not a rant, moan or dig at someone(although it might sound) but just genuine problem my friend doesn’t know how to deal with it so asked me to ask your lovely lot if you ever had something similar to deal with or wwyd.

Day I have left horse who was there already(different stable block)moved to my old stable which is next to my friend’s horse(she’s on waiting list to my new yard too) my friend mare is very chilled, she enjoys coming in for snooze.

New/old horse is very nervous and anxious, always has been. He doesn’t have the best reputation at the yard and is a bully in the field to anything that is smaller than him. Happier in the field on his own rather than in the stable with company. He weaves all day, calling constantly, kicking the door/walls and running around the stable even falling over. He will barge through the closed doors trashing it and runs around courtyard dripping in foamy sweat. He broke out three times last week and even attempted to attack horses who were in their stables including the mare meaning he was running up to them sticking his head in their stables kicking the door’s from outside.

This is very unsettling to my friends mare who has turned from most relaxed to very anxious pony. She doesn’t enjoy her stable anymore and will run around it looking stressed whilst the other is weaving/kicking off. She started to box walk. Stables are separated by solid walls so mare can’t see anything but hears it all(can see him weaving) She normally sleeps and poos by that wall but since that’s been going on she’s too scared to go near that wall. She doesn’t sleep in the stable anymore, she’s visibly stressed and tired. She’s on calmer now hoping that will take the edge off but it doesn’t.

It has been suggested to leave “offending” horse out but owner still brings him in and go and other owners are there to deal with it. It has been suggested to install weaving bars but owner doesn’t want it same with stable guards so if he kicks the door down there might be a slight chance he won’t get out. apparently he is on calmer which doesn’t work by the looks of it.

It has been said the horse was the same in his old stable block therefore other horses owners have asked her for him to be moved as it was very unsettling their horses and them and he ended up in my old stable.

Luckily for me I never had to deal with him thankfully.

Owner is very oblivious and doesn’t see the problem and that is affecting other horses and their owners. She said she can’t do anything about it.

Mare can’t stay out 24h as she would be completely on her own during the day(she doesn’t like being on her own in the field and we on night turnout) so everyone comes in plus she needs restricted grass.

Yo is very oblivious(to everything including unsafe fences and maintenance) reason I have left. He said to sort out between each other.

It has been suggested for him to go back to his old stable but people there won’t have him for the same reasons plus new horse arrived so his old stable it now taken. No one will swap stable with mare because they will end up next to him.

I have suggested temporarily move do different yard whilst waiting for space at my new yard but my friend doesn’t see that being fair.

Thank you for reading. Opinions most welcome for very stressed owner.
 

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She has said already a new horse has moved in.

I would hate a horse like this next to
mine, mainly as I know it would stress BB out and he would start to pick up habits from it. I would definitely move somewhere temporarily if there is that option.
 

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If your friend's mare was mine then I would be looking for a temporary new place for her. The situation with this horse sounds beyond stressful and I should think if will stress your friend's mare out far less to move and then move again in a few months than to stay next to this horse for the next however long
 

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Fantastic responses! Thank you. Keep them coming! I will see my friend later today so I let her read. Might be packing to move her, hopefully she’ll understand that’s her only option.
 

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She’s got 3 options. Swap stables with someone else (is there anyone else who wouldn’t mind this horse next to theirs?), leave her out during the day (can someone else also leave out so she has company?), or move somewhere else for now. By not doing anything, your friend risks this mare being fearful of stables long term. No, it’s not fair, but the mare has to be her priority. I wouldn’t want to be paying someone just to have my horse traumatised and potentially injured.
 

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I'd be getting out of there ASAP , I'm not sure what your local yards are like but I know the ones in our area when someone posts on Facebook looking for emergency spaces tend to comment saying they could temporarily squeeze people in.

I also really feel for the offending horse, poor thing must be stressed to hell with a selfish/naive/ stupid ?! owner.....
 

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I'd be getting out of there ASAP , I'm not sure what your local yards are like but I know the ones in our area when someone posts on Facebook looking for emergency spaces tend to comment saying they could temporarily squeeze people in.

I also really feel for the offending horse, poor thing must be stressed to hell with a selfish/naive/ stupid ?! owner.....
I know. All he needs is to live out. He can, it’s been offered but owner won’t have it. Not sure why.
 

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Sounds like the horse hates being in so why can't people recognise that some people are just stupid.

I think your friend has no choice but to find somewhere else.
The owner of the problem horse is very young and not very experienced. Horse was missold to her having a chance to return him she chose to keep him. We said it’s not right set up for him at this yard, he needs grass livery. He hates being stabled. She had this horse for over a year and hardly pays attention to it which is sad. Riding is out of question, he is very spooky. It’s not a horse for young girl who wants to have fun. People at the yard are nice and won’t say anything because they know it will upset her as she’s very young. It’s easy for her, she leaves horse in the stable and goes, comes back, turns out, mucks out and goes again. When she can’t be bothered to come back to turn out she’ll text everyone hoping one will jump on and turn out for her. My friend however confronted her this morning and asked politely if her mare was causing her horse to be stressed would she say something? She said yes so my friend showed her video she took him barging out going for her mare ect. Her response was”what do you want me to do?” So it been suggested again to leave him out, she said no, she likes him to be in like others are. When my friend said he’s stressed and causing others to be stressed so just leave him out she then said she won’t be poo picking after him being out 24h. Yard is quite busy during the day as it has riding school in it too and it’s at the working farm. I personally think he’s bit of R(word) as he does get dominant and mares had to be moved to other fields which are far away from him.
 

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How young do you mean by young ref the owner of the stressy horse? Young as in there might still be parental involvement somewhere in the background?
 

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How young do you mean by young ref the owner of the stressy horse? Young as in there might still be parental involvement somewhere in the background?
Oh not that young. I don’t know but somewhere around 21. Her parents are lovely people but totally clueless bless them. In fact they they are ones who suggesting for him to live out whilst looking for grass livery.
 

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I think the earlier poster responding meant is there an option at the yard YOU'RE on (that she's waiting for) to turn her horse out at grass? Otherwise, is there someone at her current yard willing to leave their horse out 24/7 and section a part of the field of if she needs restricted/muzzle for the hours she'd normally be stabled?
 

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It's actually not only friend's mare that is directly affected by horse X's behaviour. Your friend probably justifiable have this deep rooted, unconscious belief that her mare is lovely, and no danger to her, but as long as horse X is causing the mare to be stressed, and anxious in the stable, there's an increased risk she inadvertently harms your friend. As long as the mare isn't getting enough sleep, there's an increased risk she might stumble if your friend rides her, and if the mare stumbles, and falls, both horse, and rider can end up getting hurt.

It's very clear that neither the YO, or owner of horse X is willing to listen to sensible rhyme and reason, so as I see it, your friend only have 2 options.
Either your friend starts acting like a bunny cooking, rabid hellcat, causing the YO + owner of horse X so much problem that they maybe actually take care of what is their problem. By e.g. film horse X, and threaten to post it online warning others to move to this yard, threaten to sue them for loss of use of her mare, potential damages if friend and/or mare gets hurt, or whatever else you can think of.
Or friend takes her mare, and move her to anywhere else.

I'm often in the better the devil you know, than the devil you don't camp, but that's not when an actual ignorant devil owns the horse next door.
 

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Just went to see my friend in her yard. Horse x is in acting as normal meaning kicking off. Yo went pass and my friend out of desperation said either that is sorted or she’s looking for somewhere to go and will be leaving. Yo looked a bit shocked because my friend is the quietest person and hates confrontation. Yo took horse x to the field and contacted the owner to come for the meeting. Few people were there at the same time from horses x old stable block and they all came forward to yo saying Owner is acting like a victim saying that everyone is against her and hate her horse every time someone says something about his behaviour and how is affecting them on day to day. Is a messy situation and I do feel guilty for leaving because if I haven’t left my horse would be next to mare and everything would be settled.
 

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Sounds promising and part way to being sorted.

Please no guilt hang ups about the owner of the difficult horse being 'young' if she's in her 20s. I had presumed that she must be about 13. Let her strop, she has been acting in a completely selfish way up to now.
 

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If it can't be resolved to leave the other horse out 24/7, could your friend arrange for company for her mare out in the day? If other people in that stable block are having issues I imagine one of them might also be happy to turn out full time?
 
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