Yard provisional worming programme - what do you think?

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Further to my previous thread about worming programmes -vs- worm counts, our farmer has decided the yard is to continue with a worming programme as we do not have the set up for a worm count system. For reference, (BEWARE it's lengthy), if you can be bothered to read it, here's the original thread: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=407867

For the last several years we have been on worming programmes, like the Equest and Equest Pramox ones. This year we have changed to a different programme as we were advised to use a different group of wormers before our horses became immune to the Equest, as it's considered one of the strongest wormers available. We were told if our horses became immune to that, we would struggle to beat worms if the were contracted with anything else.
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We were advised that we have over used the 'avermectin group' of wormers, and so we are trying to avoid using any of the following for the next year: Equest, Equest Pramox, Eqvalan, Eraquell, Noromectin, and Equimax.


The last two times we have wormed we used the following:

2nd August 2010 - Panacur 5 day Guard (Benzimidazole group)
(8 weeks)

5th October 2010 - Double dose Strongid P (Pyrantel group) - Treating for tape worm
(8 weeks)

We have provisionally devised this programme for the upcoming year:

30th November 2010 - Panacur Paste (Benzimidazole group) - Treating for Redworm
(8 weeks)

25th January 2011 - Vectin Paste (Avermectin group) - Treating for Bot
(10 weeks)

5th April 2011 - Double dose Strongid P (Pyrantel group) - Treating for tape worm
(8 weeks)

31st May 2011 - Vectin (Avermectin group) - Treating for rpund worm, large and small redworm.
(10 weeks)

26th July 2011 - Panacur (Benzimidazole group) - Treating for roundworm, large and small redworm.
(8 weeks)

20th September 2011 - Double dose Strongid P (Pyrantel group) - Treating for tape worm
(8 weeks)

Please note that we have used the maximum period the worming companies have advised before we next worm.


Do you consider this programme sufficient for the upcoming year? In your opinion, all being well with the above, will we be able to return back onto an Equest programme again for the following year (bearing in mind what the worming advisor warned)? :confused: We have tried to contact the worming advisor in relation to this with no avail. I have emailed the programme to two different vet practices our yard uses, and I hope to get a response!

I would really appreciate if anyone could help us with our programme, and advise if you think there should be any necessary amendments accordingly. If you have any other programmes that you think would work better, I would be really grateful if you could inform us of them.

Much love, thanks! xx :)
 
Wow that seems an awful lot of worming in one year.
I am gonna go read some of the previous thread about worming versus worm counts.
Our yard does counts, we only worm if needed.........but I'm suspecting that some think this isn't the right way forward???
Even at yards that dont do counts, I've never known worming to happen more than 4 times per year and they have also used a variety of wormers to avoid horses becoming used to wormers like equest x
 
I know what you are saying. It seems a lot because we are having to down grade to milder wormers due to over using the Equest programmes, etc... for too many years. The above wormers don't have the same strength like Equest, and are recommended to worm usually between 6 and 10 weeks, whereas the Equest lasts for 13 weeks. Each wormer we have gone to the maximum recommended period before we worm again.

Hopefully the vets will get back to us, and perhaps say it can be less frequent? xx
 
I've read much of the other thread now.
I see now why worming is your way forward rather than counts as your yard doesn't poo pick.
I still think thats an awful lot and totally agree with the persons who noted that your worming advisor is also the one selling you the wormers, therefore has an interest in you using so many.
Listen to your vet, I seriously wouldn't be happy pumping my horses full of so many wormers in one year x
 
Have since now read your last reply, we crossed posts!!
I can see what you're saying about them not being as strong, equest pramox is really strong in comparrison.
Again I'd go with what the vet says, their opinion is non biased as they dont have an interest in selling the wormers, or favour your farmer, they are only interested in your horses health x
 
You don't have to be set up to do worm egg counts - you send poo samples away and have them done for you. It costs about the same as a wormer, so sometimes you would have to pay for both, but for many horses you would be able to cut down to worming just once or twice a year. Over a period of time you can see patterns in infection and cut down on the count too. Initially you would have them done at the frequency of your worming programme that you've put in your original post.
The programme you have there is beautifully tailored to selecting worms that are resistant to all chemical groups. Most redworms are already resistant to benzimidazole, which is the ordinary Panacur and Panacur Equine Guard (vets still recommend this one, but I wouldn't use it). There is also resistance to pyrantel and ivermectin, though not on the scale of benzimidazole YET. If you are not sure about the concept of resistance, have a look at this http://solo-equestrian.blogspot.com/2008/07/worms-and-worming-new-thinking.html.
At some point, worms will develop resistance to all the chemical groups that we have currently. All we can do is try to slow this development down, otherwise we will be in a situation where none of the drugs work.
 
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