yet another laminitis question!!!!

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I only gave amy half a bute this morning and half tonight, she is getting so fiesty and cross (much more like herself!!!) do you think tomorrow i could try her on one every other day. She is walking out of stable fine and turning + backing up fine, no pulses!!!! She is telling me she's feeling better but i don't know if i should give her a few more days on the half twice a day xxxxx THOSE IMPRINT SHOES ARE AMAZING - my friend came up to see her and can't believe the difference in her from last week xxxx
 
I said they were good...

If it was me i would give her one bute a day for a few more days.. say till monday or tuesday, then reduce it to one every other day. You need to go slow and take time hunnie.

Glad the glue on's have helped.

Lou x
 
Agree with Nailed, don't be in too much of a hurry, the more time you give her now the better chance of a good recovery.
 
Amy : Please have Slowly , Slowly as you Recovery Mantra : if in any doubt at all err on the side of caution. No harm should come of playing safe but progress can be compromised all too quickly and it can be very difficult to gain lost ground. If you take take care now I am sure you will gain ground in the longterm. Please remember that bute has anti inflammatory properties and one a day is not a lot for such a big girl. Very relieved to read that you have managed to turn your girl around. All the very best
 
I know i need to go slowly but when your horse is 100% back to normal what do you do!!! I'm going to keep reducing the bute over the course of this week and obviously if she has any pulse or goes lame or pottery i'll up it again but she's now been on it for six weeks and this last week since she had her shoes on she is so much better (imprint heart bars). At the end of the day i've got to make the decision to reduce it at some point and i know my girl and whether she's feeling ok or not so feel i can judge it well.
 
<font color="blue"> and i know my girl and whether she's feeling ok or not so feel i can judge it well. </font>

I'm sure you know her very well, but you have come on here asking for advice and running every single up and down Annie has had past members with many years of 'managing' all types of laminitis.

I have been watching and offered a few hints myself, but feel on the whole you aren't listening
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Don't ask for help if you don't want advice. EllieP and Eaglestone have had long and painful experience of laminitis which has not been grass induced and another who has recently had the very painful and raw loss of her mare after a sudden and rapid downturn in her progress. I don't think EllieP deserved the curt tone of your reply to her urge that you proceed with caution. I couldn't care less how you reply to me so.....
YOUR MARE NEEDS TO BE <u>SOUND FOR A MONTH ON CONCRETE WITHOUT PAINKILLERS</u> BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN THINK ABOUT MOVING HER IN ANY FORM OF EXERCISE - CONTROLLED OR OTHERWISE. IN THE MEANTIME KEEP HER DIET SEVERELY RESTRICTED AND ENQUIRE ABOUT PERGOLIDE.
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Did you watch the webinar I gave you a link to?

Here's another link to someone asking for advice - cap in hand - and how she took the advice. Take a leaf out of her book.
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I hope Annie continues her recovery without any problem x
 
I would urge you to go REALLY slowly - the bute/danilon stays in your horses system for at least 3 days so you may think shes more sound than she actually is..

I know its hard when they are climbing the walls but pls - as someone who has just had her gelding PTS due laminitis - go really slowly &amp; cautiously...
 
I'm sorry if i came across the wrong way, i didn't mean it to sound like that at all. I'm really trying not to rush things with her, will just take each day as it comes. I'm very sorry to hear about your boy, if you don't mind me asking why did you have him put down?

I'm now worrying cause her overreach boots are rubbing her, she's got to wear them 24/7 due to the imprint shoes. I'm going to get some vaseline today for her but any tips much appreciated xxxx
 
Its a long &amp; complicated story - my boy was 17yrs old (I got him when he was 6yrs)- he had "the worst feet in the county" according to my farriers &amp; was extremely flat footed (TB) with painfully thin soles.

He took lami when he was about 8yrs old, though I questioned the vet at the time as he'd just been shod &amp; I thought it was nail bind. He was a skinny TB who was a really faddy feeder...

It prob was lami then as last year he took it again - really badly, all summer in his box, climbing the walls &amp; screaming for the other horses - it was heart breaking but I knew I could get him sound.

I moved to HK in January &amp; left my parents looking after him (expertly, I might add!) &amp; in June I got a phone call from my Mum to say he was in again, laminitis &amp; was really suffering with stress. I flew home the next day.

My boy was MY horse &amp; difficult to handle, he had knocked my Dad to the ground when he brought him in &amp; had been really difficult for the vet..

As soon as I arrived he was back to being my lovely boy, though he was as lame as a duck (even with Danilon &amp; ACP) &amp; would not eat anything. He was trying to box walk, but hopping &amp; falling &amp; generally miserable. He always hated the stable &amp; was an outdoor horse. His prognosis from this point was that he would probably spend the remainder of his life in his stable or on a bare paddock.

I couldn't stand watching him wasting away in front of my eyes &amp; after many sleepless nights, crying, debates about what I could do I called my vet. He is the most wonderful man &amp; suggested I could carry on with treatment but he feared my horses quality of life was deteriorating....

On 25/06/08 I made the hardest decision of my life &amp; had him PTS, it was the kindest thing I could do for my best friend but a decision that has left me heart broken...
 
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I'm now worrying cause her overreach boots are rubbing her, she's got to wear them 24/7 due to the imprint shoes. I'm going to get some vaseline today for her but any tips much appreciated xxxx

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I doubt your horse needs them on in the stable, although I've no experience of imprint shoes so I might well be wrong on that. With heartbars and such like, they only needs them on for any form of exercise/turnout.

Also, are your over-reach boots the rubbers ones? If so, have a look on the inside of the boot at the narrowest point that rests around the pasturn. Is there a bit of a raised ridge running around here that you can feel if you run your finger over it? There often is and it gets on my nerves! Get a large nail file and attack it until its smooth and then it shouldn't rub any more.
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Sorry to everyone who've lost horses and who struggle with laminitis, I wish the vets would hurry up and figure it out. It sure is far more complicated than "people shouldn't let their horses get too fat".
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I'll check when i go up later on. She's having a bad day today, after having 1/2 a bute yest am and pm and being really good, this morning i just feel she isn't quite right, she's got a strong and prominent digital pulse, still moving ok but quieter and bit reluctant to pick up feet. I've given her two butes this am. Will call vet later if no improvment. I feel so sick at the moment with all the worry, i keep getting my hopes up and then she deteriorates again, perhaps i've got to decide if i'm doing the right thing by carrying on. She's been in now for six weeks and whatever we've done she can't get below one bute twice a day xxxxx
 
Thanks for your msgs....is appreciated.

Annie&amp;Amy - I searched for ages for really soft o/r boots &amp; found ones that were good, velcro ones but I can't remember what brand. I think they were about £25.00.

I think i got a size larger than normal to go over the heart bars (he wore them 24/7). Try to take them off at least twice a day &amp; clean them - I found this helped with the chaffing..
 
Please don't read my story &amp; think along those lines....

You will just have set backs every now &amp; then &amp; today is one of them! You said in an earlier post that she was 100% okay but you probably knew in yourself that it is partly due to the drugs...she is probably just 100% better than she was a couple of weeks ago.

It is a long road with laminitis &amp; can be very frustrating but I have a good feeling about your mare...you will experience peaks &amp; troughs but keep your chin up, it will get better..
 
I think what's worrying me is that she could be having another attack, because although when i've reduced the bute before she's had a digital pulse this morning it was more like it was when she first got laminitis six weeks ago and she had it also in her left fore this morning. I'm going back up at two and if she's still got pulse i'm going to ring vet (she had two bute this am) Can they get further attacks even if they're on box rest? xxxx
 
IMHO - its more than likely that she has been standing for longer due imprint shoes &amp; feeling a bit better &amp; has overdone it a bit.

Also, sometimes they can go a bit more lame after the heartbars/shoes are fitted. Remember, you reduced the painkillers so you are maybe seeing what shes like normally. Is it bute or Danilon? Danilon has very good anti - inflammatory ingredients..

If you are really worried call the vet, she will prob tell you to up the painkillers...
 
She is on pro-dynam at the moment but i have got some danilon, i gave it her once but she wasn't very keen on eating it. Perhaps i'll try her on that again later though if it's a good anti-inflamm.
 
Personally i liked Danilon better &amp; it works quickly!

If shes funny about it put it in a syringe (a big one &amp; snip the needle holding part off!) with water (a bit fiddly cos its quite big granules but you'll get the hang)...&amp; put it over her throat like wormer....
 
Annie, i know what you are going though, my boy has been on box rest for 6 weeks, you start to get obsessed with laminitis :( my horse had a set back last week when i gave him 2 hours turn out for 3 days he was back to square one with his lameness the next morning but thankfully has recovered from that very quickly, i have mine on 1 danillon a day {he probley needs more but he is ok with one} what ever you do make sure you do it a step at a time, I WILL be riding mine this summer :)
 
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