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Would you mind if I have a bit of a rant? You don't have to read it.

I was very sad today.

A man parked next to me this morning as I was returning to the dog bus. He had a GSD in his car and was about to let him out so I asked if he would mind waiting until I had the big fella stowed away and he was kind enough to do.

The dog was pulling the owner towards me, full of youthful exuberance and jumping all over me, not ideal on a muddy day but never mind.

We chatted and he told me the dog, which he had had from a puppy, had become very barky around other dogs. He is 7 months old. I explained about fear periods and that this was probably what his dog was experiencing. I said the pup just needs reassurance that there is nothing to be worried about and not to make too big a deal of it. I didn't say so but I felt obedience training would have been an advantage as he was unable to get the dog's attention or to sit, even with repeated requests to sit, sit-down, sit, down, and so on and yanking on its choke chain. The dog was a star and sat for me for a treat. I was really taken with him, he was lovely dog.

He told me that he was taking the dog to a trainer who had recommended castration (he always does, it's his answer to everything - that and a shock collar). Not only is the dog too young for castration but, as you all know, if he is fearful then it is a really bad idea. I told him that taking the dog's balls off is not the answer to his barking but sadly I was too late, he was castrated 2 days ago. I did stress he was not to allow the use of the collar.

I know it's silly but it got to me and I was really upset when I drove home. There was so much wrong with this situation and I couldn't help thinking 'well there's another dog spoilt'.

I could chunter on here every day; the owner that can't see his dog is being bullied, the one that can't see his dog is a bully, my neighbour who allows his whippet to nip at dogs to get them to run and then complained about the bull lurcher who bit it. The ones that expect their dog to know a command without it having being taught and keep repeating the useless, meaningless words louder and louder. I could go on.

Do you think dogs should come with a manual?

We hardly go a day without somebody's dog being a pest but the following was a pearler.

A couple of days ago big lad and I were meandering along minding our own business. About 50 yards ahead was a woman with 2 Bichons. The dogs had clocked us and started approaching. I paused, S came and sat at my side, and we waited for her to get things under control. She was obviously worried he was going to swallow one of them (I get stupid comments like "Fluffy, he'll eat you for breakfast) and she started screeching their names, no useful commands like Come, just their names. She managed to catch one of them but the other kept coming. I realised the situation was hopeless and turned to walk the other way but the little (put any expletive you like in here) kept coming and was intent on getting up S's behind. She was still screeching the dog's name. I thought I should take action so I turned and very firmly told it "no", it paused then continued. I told it again, forcefully, to do one, it hesitated and she said to me "tell him again". I couldn't believe it, so I pointed out, rather coldly, that "I shouldn't have to".

There, I feel better for getting that off my chest.

Signed: whingy dog lover.
 
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Totally agree with you - my greyhound boy has a high prey drive which unfortunately includes small dogs if they run fast enough, so I walk him on lead and with a muzzle on. Still, at least once a day we have to put up with off-lead dogs running up to him, and aside from not being able to call them back, generally the owners don't appear to be concerned by this big, powerful dog with a muzzle on staring at their thingypoo like it's breakfast. I exaggerate a bit, Joe's come on a lot since I first got him but I still keep him muzzled for that 0.01% chance he might reach out and grab - just wish other people would be responsible too! A surprising number of people seem to be quite blasé about their dogs' safety.
 
Totally agree with you - my greyhound boy has a high prey drive which unfortunately includes small dogs if they run fast enough, so I walk him on lead and with a muzzle on. Still, at least once a day we have to put up with off-lead dogs running up to him, and aside from not being able to call them back, generally the owners don't appear to be concerned by this big, powerful dog with a muzzle on staring at their thingypoo like it's breakfast. I exaggerate a bit, Joe's come on a lot since I first got him but I still keep him muzzled for that 0.01% chance he might reach out and grab - just wish other people would be responsible too! A surprising number of people seem to be quite blasé about their dogs' safety.

We get the same with the Rottweilers! Would you really, if you had any sense let your fluffy dishmop type thing run up to and dance about in front of a pair of big Rottweilers, each with two leads, one in a fig 8, round their muzzle (admittedly it is to stop them pulling, not to stop them from biting, but still....)? You would be amazed at the number of people who doo_O
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I honestly think a manual and compulsory training (after a hefty licence fee) would do the trick. I don't even think it should be limited to dogs......................................
 
TBH it could have been any sized dog, we get them all - earlier in the week it was a chocolate lab, the owner didn't even bother to call him - he obviously knew he was wasting his time.

In the case of the Bichons, I was just amazed that the owner had so little control over her dog that she told me to sort it out.
 
Popping into this thread as nominated small dog owner....😜

Owners of larger dogs are just as bad ime. After having the awful experience of a couple of labs attacking my parents' dog while I was walking him for them one Christmas eve (he was on a lead, the labs were not), leading to him losing a leg, I do not let my dogs 'say hello' to strange dogs out walking.

When I meet other dogs out walking I will put my two on leads and sit them down out of the way, well off the path. About 75% of other dog owners have decent control of their dog and realise that I don't want to interact and pass by without incident. The other 25% mean that I end up having to pick my dogs up and walk away, often with an owner chirping that their dog 'only wants to say hello' and 'is very friendly', and occasionally having to use a tactical knee to dissuade a particularly over enthusiastic dog from jumping up at mine while I'm holding them.
 
It is a shame that ‘innocent’ owners are also mislead by ‘trainers’ terrible ideas. Of course we all have different methods and opinions. But early castrations are a terrible idea and my vet actually suggested not doing the lab boy I got aged 3 entire as he was a bit nervous. A vet should have strongly advised against a 7 month old large dog.

A lot of it also boils down to bad manners. Occasionally I admit my 2 bound up to others a bit fast with excitement. But if I spot they are on lead I always call my dogs before they go over so I can put them on lead. The 1% of the time that I may not spot them on time I always apologise. I used to have a reactive GSD and also hated that ‘they just want to say hello’ phrase!
 
i have been to agility comps most weekends this year with not one incident and hundreds of dogs of all shapes and sizes,most of them excited, competing and queing at close quarters.
yet
walking locally there is always some idiot (mine`s friendly,he only want to play,no recalls etc,ambling along on a flexi).
one of mine wears a muzzle and a `no dogs` harness.why do people think my dog wants to see theirs?
 
Oh, DabDab, that is awful about your parents' dog.

I dislike dogs running up to mine for 2 reasons.

The first is that I have had 2 dogs who were attacked by dogs who just ran up and immediately attacked, no preliminary sniffing or doggy introduction. My Rough Collie was attacked by 2 Staffies, they were hung on his neck. Because of his thick fur he only received puncture wounds. The second dog, a lurcher, was attacked by an Arctic breed. It removed 2 chunks of muscle from her back and for the rest of her life she had 2 fist sized divots in her back and never regained her confidence around other dogs.

The second reason is that my current dog was very reactive when I got him, though he has never bitten. He has made excellent progress but it has taken a long time and a lot of work. I feel it is a betrayal of his trust in me when I hold him on lead for some other dog to harass him. I did suggest to one woman who thought it was acceptable for her dog to run round and round us yapping that I would let him off, she retrieved her dog sharpish.

Cahill, I too have my dog festooned in warnings. He wears a bandana asking for space and a leash sleeve stating Do Not Pet Me. People are stupid though and even when I also verbally ask them not to try to pet him I have had comments like "Oh, he is all right" or one woman who insisted he looked lovely and wanted to hug him! He has a big bark and soon sorted them both out, probably requiring a change of underwear! The reason you have no trouble at competitions is because you are among trained dogs, they are few and far between round here.
 
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When your born with dogs when you grow up with them it’s hard to understand the complete lack of understanding some people have about dogs .
I have never had a dog who I couldnot wrap round my little finger and make me the centre of their world it’s as easy to me as breathing .
But it’s not so easy for some and I am not sure what the answer is .
 
Would you mind if I have a bit of a rant? You don't have to read it.

I was very sad today.

A man parked next to me this morning as I was returning to the dog bus. He had a GSD in his car and was about to let him out so I asked if he would mind waiting until I had the big fella stowed away and he was kind enough to do.

The dog was pulling the owner towards me, full of youthful exuberance and jumping all over me, not ideal on a muddy day but never mind.

We chatted and he told me the dog, which he had had from a puppy, had become very barky around other dogs. He is 7 months old. I explained about fear periods and that this was probably what his dog was experiencing. I said the pup just needs reassurance that there is nothing to be worried about and not to make too big a deal of it. I didn't say so but I felt obedience training would have been an advantage as he was unable to get the dog's attention or to sit, even with repeated requests to sit, sit-down, sit, down, and so on and yanking on its choke chain. The dog was a star and sat for me for a treat. I was really taken with him, he was lovely dog.

He told me that he was taking the dog to a trainer who had recommended castration (he always does, it's his answer to everything - that and a shock collar). Not only is the dog too young for castration but, as you all know, if he is fearful then it is a really bad idea. I told him that taking the dog's balls off is not the answer to his barking but sadly I was too late, he was castrated 2 days ago. I did stress he was not to allow the use of the collar.

I know it's silly but it got to me and I was really upset when I drove home. There was so much wrong with this situation and I couldn't help thinking 'well there's another dog spoilt'.

I could chunter on here every day; the owner that can't see his dog is being bullied, the one that can't see his dog is a bully, my neighbour who allows his whippet to nip at dogs to get them to run and then complained about the bull lurcher who bit it. The ones that expect their dog to know a command without it having being taught and keep repeating the useless, meaningless words louder and louder. I could go on.

Do you think dogs should come with a manual?

We hardly go a day without somebody's dog being a pest but the following was a pearler.

A couple of days ago big lad and I were meandering along minding our own business. About 50 yards ahead was a woman with 2 Bichons. The dogs had clocked us and started approaching. I paused, S came and sat at my side, and we waited for her to get things under control. She was obviously worried he was going to swallow one of them (I get stupid comments like "Fluffy, he'll eat you for breakfast) and she started screeching their names, no useful commands like Come, just their names. She managed to catch one of them but the other kept coming. I realised the situation was hopeless and turned to walk the other way but the little (put any expletive you like in here) kept coming and was intent on getting up S's behind. She was still screeching the dog's name. I thought I should take action so I turned and very firmly told it "no", it paused then continued. I told it again, forcefully, to do one, it hesitated and she said to me "tell him again". I couldn't believe it, so I pointed out, rather coldly, that "I shouldn't have to".

There, I feel better for getting that off my chest.

Signed: whingy dog lover.
You only have to see how some people parent their children to know that a lot of dogs (&children are doomed)☹️☹️
 
Popping into this thread as nominated small dog owner....😜

Owners of larger dogs are just as bad ime. After having the awful experience of a couple of labs attacking my parents' dog while I was walking him for them one Christmas eve (he was on a lead, the labs were not), leading to him losing a leg, I do not let my dogs 'say hello' to strange dogs out walking.

When I meet other dogs out walking I will put my two on leads and sit them down out of the way, well off the path. About 75% of other dog owners have decent control of their dog and realise that I don't want to interact and pass by without incident. The other 25% mean that I end up having to pick my dogs up and walk away, often with an owner chirping that their dog 'only wants to say hello' and 'is very friendly', and occasionally having to use a tactical knee to dissuade a particularly over enthusiastic dog from jumping up at mine while I'm holding them.

Oh we get bigger dogs coming up to them too. One elderly black Lab recently was taken past our girls on the opposite side of the road, very sensibly, then the owner allowed it to cross the road behind us and come round the back to sniff one of the Rotters. The road is another sore point! It has a 40mph speed limit, no pavements, is quite narrow, especially as the verges are encroaching on the tarmac and, despite the local bye-laws which say that *all* dogs must be on a lead and dog owners must clean up after their dogs, it is full of dog sh1t and there are off-lead dogs wandering all over it, with their oblivious owners not even aware that a car is coming, never mind another dog!
 
I had an example just yesterday - despite the appalling weather I met a lady walking a collie lurcher (VERY well behaved) and a labrador in the woods. She explained that the labrador belonged to her neighbour, and she was just walking it - the flipping thing barked continually the whole time I was speaking to her, and was in the face of all my three on leads (not quite sure where Millie had got to at that point!) despite me telling her that I had only adopted Marty a couple of weeks ago.

Marty is a grumbler - he will growl, he does NOT react, but obviously I cannot be certain about that. He was amazing with this yob of a labrador (it was obese too, which always infuriates me!) and grumbled a lot but looked distainfully down his nose at it.

This lady has had TWO rescue dogs - a greyhound and her current lurcher - but still thought it was OK to let the labrador do this to my three? Is she MAD???!!!! If they had been small fluffies it would have been worse - I can guarantee by now that the girls won't splat a small dog but Marty might well do, Hoover certainly would have done. Bloody ignorant dog owners!!!!
 
Marty is a grumbler - he will growl, he does NOT react,QUOTE]

Marty is allowed to grumble, he is tactfully telling the other dog (and its owner) that he is not comfortable. Why should he have to put up with a strange dog in his face. Would the woman have liked it if you had got in her face? Actually I think I would like to try that with an owner some time and see the reaction, invade their space, get in their face and perhaps give them a hug :)
 
Someone came to my field today and had her 4 dogs with her. I asked her if she wanted me to put Luna in the car (she was doing me a favour) and she said her dogs would be fine although the little one would make a noise as she is quite fearful and likes to get in first just in case. I left Luna out, and the little one did have a go, but then all 5 were quite happily running around together. Was lovely from my point of view as Lu is only off lead at the field, so first time she’s really been able to interact with other dogs. When she’s on lead and sees other dogs, she can be very vocal in the Husky way, and I know it puts other dog owners off and they will cross the road to avoid.
 
I flipping hate other dog owners sometimes. Today, lovely walk watching Bear do wall of death again but as we were leaving, family with Frenchie and random small thing came in. I put Bear on the lead just in case and the owners let both dogs run up. Bear was uncomfortable but obedient and ignored them. Had it been puss cat, there would have been trouble. I was so tempted to have words, but I’d probably get a mouthful in response and be told not to have reactive dogs out in public. :rolleyes:

So often, I had to recall Brig and Jake so some numpty could retrieve their dog.

The small dog thing, I dunno, worst dog I ever met was a show lab, massive bully, fat and horrible. The other was a springer, both attacked Jake every time.
 
When I was a child it was perfectly normal for dogs to interact with each other, a lot would be allowed out on their own. I think people still expect that dogs should be friendly, but what they don’t seem to get is that they do need to be well socialised for this to happen. I know a few people that have zero control over their dogs, don’t bother getting them out and about when they are small, no training then are surprised that they are suddenly a problem. Those of us with well behaved dogs meet these out of control dogs and then our dogs become fearful, and so it goes on.
 
OP I couldn't agree more with you, it's disheartening at best and upsetting if you think about it too much.

I know it's impossible but I really think people should have to pass a test to be allowed to own a dog. You could extend this to an animal of any description. And children, in fact.

A Facebook friend (only a loose acquaintance really) posted the other day "What's a good website to buy a puppy off?" *shudder* - of course I waded in with advice about choosing breed carefully, researching, meeting several breeders... she said she wanted a -poo type thing, I told her about being careful re: working/show strains, about grooming, about health testing of the parents, researching what health issues each breed is known to have and making sure the parents are tested clear etc. The usual stuff you should look into when getting a puppy, which she clearly had absolutely no idea about. And then, I got personally attacked and insulted by some of her other acquaintances because "THEY got THEIR -poo from a website and didn't get any health checks done and they're absolutely fine". Cue lots of photos of their -poos dressed in stupid little outfits, as proof that they have well rounded healthy dogs and she should therefore ignore my advice and go buy from Gumtree or somewhere..! A local dog trainer/behaviourist had been tagged in the post and when she replied she stuck up for me and basically echoed what I'd said and then added more - but I couldn't believe the number of people giving seriously rotten advice and then getting REALLY defensive over it - to the point of personally attacking a stranger on the internet, and inferring that because I care/am passionate about this I "have no life" (!!!), when I dared to disagree with them.
 
And it doesn't matter how much you socialise if the genetics/nerves are poor to begin with.
When the dog becomes a mature adult you will see how it is genetically inclined to cope with the world (other dogs, livestock, busy streets).

Some care used to be taken over breeding animals. Now it seems to be anything with functioning sexual organs will do, especially if it looks 'well 'ard' or 'cute'.
 
Some care used to be taken over breeding animals. Now it seems to be anything with functioning sexual organs will do, especially if it looks 'well 'ard' or 'cute'.

When I was young, most people just had good old fashioned mongrels. I still don’t think you can beat them for temperament and health. Designer crosses are general awful for behaviour issues because they are mixing breeds that just shouldn’t be mixed. Pure breed dogs are either one or the other. Lovely or awful, and nothing in between.
 
I absolutely agree - sadly the people who need the instruction manual the most think it's everyone else at fault!

I keep my two on leads around others. Big dog doesn't like rude approaches. Younger one will ignore other dogs and focus on me regardless, but I want to be a good ambassador for the breed (GSD) and not frighten people or dogs - mine are big. After many interactions with other people, I will always, always avoid them wherever I can, because they don't show us the same courtesy.

Yesterday we were out hacking (me on horse, OH on mountain bike, dog on foot - he runs next to the bike and ignores all distractions including livestock - 100%) when we went past a row of rural cottages. Out shot a jack Russell type mongrel - attempted to attack my GSD with no warning. Luckily mine was too fast. My OH ran over the dog with his bike (accidentally!) and nearly fell off, the dog went off yarling on 3 legs. Stupid owners.
 
They just don't get it! Fellow dog owner stopped me this morning and said Bichon owner was telling people I "told her off". (4 words spoken sharply). She said it's okay I stuck up for you and told her S was a rescue. slaps palm to forehead. S was not the problem! It's good, I can live with that, it means people might give us a wide berth ;)

One of the issues, as far as I am concerned, is that people take so little time (or none) to learn about the 4 legged creature they share their lives with. I don't know why they get a dog in the first place.

They don't bother to learn about body language, behaviour, training and fulfilling the dog's needs. I don't just mean providing food and putting a roof over its head.

They clip on a lead, take it to where they want to go and then let it off. Their darling dog could be doing anything and they would be totally unaware because they are a mile away/on their phone/listening to music and drinking coffee at the same time (yes, seen this). They don't interact with the dog and expect it to entertain itself - which it does. Then there are those who are far more interested in walking in a huddle of other dog owners, they seem to forget the purpose of the walk and pay scant attention to their dog. I am not averse to stopping for a chat or walking along with somebody but my main focus is my dog.

I don't want to give the wrong impression, I do see those who engage with and play with their dog but they are in the minority.

I am not a killjoy. I enjoy seeing dogs playing and interacting. Sad as I am, I like to watch dog body language. I have owned very sociable dogs and dog neutral dogs. Two of mine could have been canine ambassadors. One especially was very good at reading another dog and she would approach slowly, in an arc, giving friendly signals and evaluating the situation. The other would approach slowly with a whole body wag, waiting for an invitation to play. If the other dog did not want to engage they would walk on. My dog neutral dogs would deflect, by body language, the unwelcome attention of another dog.

It is the rude, pushy dogs I object to, the ones who inevitably come charging up straight into another dog's space, without waiting for an invitation and seem to be unable to take a subtle doggy "no" for an answer (or, in S's case, not so subtle) These are invariably the ones with no recall whose owners say "it's okay, they're friendly".

Off my soapbox now. I know I am preaching to the choir.
 
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A Facebook friend (only a loose acquaintance really) posted the other day "What's a good website to buy a puppy off?" *shudder* And then, I got personally attacked and insulted by some of her other acquaintances because "THEY got THEIR -poo from a website and didn't get any health checks done and they're absolutely fine". Cue lots of photos of their -poos dressed in stupid little outfits, as proof that they have well rounded healthy dogs and she should therefore ignore my advice and go buy from Gumtree or somewhere..!

Very interesting discussion (did one of you start it?!) about why you shouldn’t buy from Gumtree on mumsnet.
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_b...would-buy-a-puppy-through-gumtree-or-the-like
 
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