Zangersheide bred warmbloods

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Do you have, or have you had one? Trying to find out any info if any of you lovely peeps can help!!! Temprement, ability, anything really! I've gotten a fair bit off net but would like to hear any personal experiences! xx Cheers chucks!
 
Quite a few in this area, nice useful showjumping, only know one mare personally and she is a tad difficult but I would say that was her handling/riders etc, she is a nice mover, hell of a pop, fussy in the mouth and a sporthorse. Not reliable on the xc, you have to be awake!!!
 
Hi there I have a mare who is zangersheide. She is lovely on the ground just can be abit hot to ride she's sensitive In her mouth and to the leg ect but I'm not sue how much of that is caused by her history as apposed to her breeding. She is a lovely horse tho :)
 
Honestly, they breed so many horses from so many bloodlines, it would be impossible to judge. Most of their "foundation stock" is from the other big books (Z was effectively a vanity project started by a very wealthy man who was unhappy with his "national" book, so it's very new) so you'd be better to look at the horse's breeding rather than putting too much stock in the "Z". They are, I think (or were anyway) pretty much exclusively a jumping book, so you can be sure anything from them is at least bred to jump.
 
Zeb is and hand on heart the best horse I have ever had the pleasure of working with. He never has a bad day work wise, even if it's blowing a gale he comes out the same, he can be a bit quirky about things (hates being on his own for one!) and can be a bit riggy but I would buy again and again! Took to eventing like a duck to water :)
 
Thanks guys. Don't really want to say too much at the moment as this is just a pondering. I've sent breeding to a friend who knows a fair bit so hopefully he can help me out a bit more! Really appreciate replies, thanks xx
 
My friend had a Zangersheide and he was a bit of a fruit loop. Could jump the moon and was beautiful to look at but was extremely spooky, sensitive, sharp, wouldnt hack out alone, very tempremental. Apparently his dad was the same. Ive heard good things about the breed but have heard they have the tendancy to have the traits I stated above. But then I believe it all comes to the correct handling, schooling. I think with my friends one- because of the way he was he was just passed from home to home and was never given a chance. He was lucky to have found my friend, she put alot of hard work and effort into him.
 
Mine is and you've seen him quite a bit I think! He's very scopey, have jumped him upto 1.55 at home, and has very reliable at jumping BSJA with me and previous owner, hacks fine, have done xc and he is great, v bold, hunts, only downside is he can be rather lazy but think this is a schooling issue at the moment!
 
My old chap was - hell of a jump and he was a lovely horse to have around. Very easy on the floor but sharp and sensitive to ride which suited me well. Would have another from his breeding line like a shot!
 
My mare is a Ramiro z line and she is very sensitive, spooky and flighty to handle but different mare under tack. She won the 5yo - ten years ago and superb jump at 130 - previous home.
I do think her behaviour is related to her old homes and the facts she was there to do a job - no TLC or partnership!

I also have a 9 month colt out of a Zangersheide mare her sire was Ricardo z - he is amazing. Such and laid back and brave foal. Would not change him for the world. Best I've bought.
 
Thanks, yes as I've said I've sent her breeding to a friend who is very knowledgeable. I'm just after some info before we decide whether to go look or not. There are other factors which come into consideration too. Xxx
 
What's the harm in going for a look? You'll learn more that way if looking for a horse to ride than anything the pedigree can tell you, or at least that's my opinion... Could have a dream book but be crooked as anything in the flesh.

As an aside my mare has Z on her sire's side (Lux Z is grandsire through Olympic Lux) I love her to bits, but we have had our testing situations with some traits mentioned above. Not sure if that is down to breeding or my inexperience as a first time owner though...I recognise i may have bitten off more than i could chew in buying an un-backed 3yr old, but we are getting there; 5 years later teehee - again more my fault than hers! (Although she has played her part ;) )
 
Sire is calvados z

Most factors are telling me not to bother going to see, she is a little younger than we were looking for (which could also be a bonus) , a little bit more expensive, is a few months earlier than we were planning to look for one & may be slightly too big for my 16yr old daughter.

But, I'm getting a lot of opinions that because it's breeding is so good & the potential she is showing, we should go & try. Owner is a friend so knows all the cons & I wouldn't want to mess her about xx
 
I have known 2. One was an absolute nutcase and was definitely suited to a competition home, although having said that I think his issues stemmed from his early handling and experience, and the other was the quietest lazyiest horse to ride but gorgeous at the same time but was a bit of a sod to handle (more drag you around type that spooky) I also know someone who showjumps that said he had a few "Zs" and he would never get another. Each to their own. The one I used to ride was lazy but lovely, competed up to medium x
 
BBSH 28th January 2012 it's the British Stallion Event at Hartpary College.

That may be of interest to you; trade stands, top class stallions and riders and an evening spectacular - £10 a ticket.
 
I nearly bought one 2 years ago but sadly when vetted my vet was concerned he was showing signs of being a wobbler so I walked away. Ironically though he passed a vetting with a different vet the following week. This is by the by though, to answer OP's question he was a lovely horse, very sweet natured and a pleasure to do so my abiding experience of Z WBs was very good.
 
The stallion is Holsteiner - they tend to be big, strong horses, and the book is totally jumping orientated. But of course it depends on the mare as well, and the individual. Good stallion, though.

I know you didn't ask, but just a proviso that a very strong, big jumping horse can be a real struggle for a child coming off ponies, especially if it's also green.

Re Ramiro, he is not a product of Z breeding - he might even predate the book! They did own him for awhile and he appears with the suffix but he is in other pedigrees with a G, and others with no suffix. He was a very prolific horse!
 
will have a look at the breeding of mine, he is by Artos iirc (may be grand sire) but will pm you the main bits. After googling his breeding he's better bred than we initially realized. He's fitted into his job really well, sister and dad ride him, does PC, BSJA, hunts, have tried eventing etc, lovely big striding horse!
 
Thanks Tarrsteps. After much discussion with my friend last night we've decided not to go see. Although the breeding was fab (its sj that daughter does, pretty high level on ponies) we agreed that it would be too big a risk with it being young & a first horse for daughter. Also size wise. I may regret it but it was a lot of money to put on a risk!! Thanks for everyone's advice though. Back to writing ads for pony & horse hunting now!!! xxx
 
I don't think you will regret it, honestly. The horse might have been suitable but odds are, given what you've said, it would have been a struggle. It's such an important step and can really make or break a kid's showjumping experience. Also, there is such a small window if you want to do Jr's or even YRs, you can't really afford to lose a season with an unsuitable horse then have to spend more time finding a new one and getting the rider back on track.

I'm a bit evangelical about this because I've worked for a couple of people who really specialised in "matchmaking" horses for kids and amateurs and I've seen how difficult it can be and how important.

Anyway, best of luck. Hope you find something nice. :)
 
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