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dizzyf

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To make it clear, I think they're cruel, but does everyone else?

My (evil) father in law uses one of those collar zappers on his little dog, (he's the kind of dog who does what he's told from a firm 'no')

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There have been quite a few posts about these. I have never used one but know people who have. In the right hands they can be a useful tool in training a difficult dog, and have in many cases been a last resort to a dog being pts. I think people should always be trained how to use them under supervision of an experienced handler/trainer. What does your father in law use one on his dog for?
 
I think they have a place when used correctly, under guidance of an experienced person and at the correct TIME. I'd rather see a dog get a zap or a pop on the neck as a last resort than end up dead due to chasing livestock/traffic or acting aggressively.
Those are the only reasons I want to see them used and only in dogs who 'zone out' and cannot be physically or vocally controlled.

As has been mentioned before, dogs feel pain in very different ways to humans.

The main thing I see wrong with them is people using them for the wrong reasons and at the wrong TIME because timing, like with any training aid, is crucial.

Like MM I know people who use them. Interestingly the majority of people I know who use them do so to *increase* attack drive in protection dogs.

IMO to correct aggression, they need to be used BEFORE and at the point of the dog going on the offensive, not after when the dog is in full flow.
Any time afterwards and you heighten the attack drive

I know people who use one on a dog-aggressive dog who have actually made the dog worse because they repreatedly deployed the collar at the wrong time
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This dog never needed an e-collar, it is basically insecure, over-protective and needs firm leadership and a routine.

I am not sure they should be used on small dogs. A human being has the size and strength to correct small dogs with their voice and physicality alone, unless said person is old, frail or has a disability.
What is the story with your FIL?
 
he used it to teach the dog not to go on the sofa, and when the dog kept running away he used it to show that going to the gate was naughty (no wonder he ran away)
also, they came to our house (we have pet rabbits) and whenever dog so much as looked at the rabbits he gor zxapped (thing is - he's also trained for hunting!!)
ive always had boisterous bull terriers, and have never had to use a zapper
I think it's just weakness. After all, our dog should respect YOU not the collar
I want to put it round my Fater in laws nuck on high vaultage!!
 
by the way - dog is a tekkel - hairy sausage dog
FIL is an evil man (also deciding to get a female so they can make a few ££ with puppies) He had another dog (cocker spaniel) when he was first married, which incedently had to be put down as he was agressive
 
I agree time and place they are appropriate, when used as the only training aid they are not.

I am one of the few who have had to use one as beau used to **** off across a number of fields if he saw sheep in the background (even if I didnt!! until he set off!) and so I used mine to stop this behaviour (yes I know he is a collie, but he should only go after sheep if commanded to, and believe me that is NEVER!) and I obviously didnt want him getting shot and unfortuantly using long lines, treats all the usual "nicer" approaches to this didnt work, and id rather have used the collar than have a shot dog by a mad farmer (which I also understand if a dog is worrying livestock before i get shouted at for that).

I tested it on myself first to see if I would be happy using it on my dog, and I was up to a certain level and thats the max he got trained to.
Iv never used it for close contact training (like housework, leadwork etc) but when the dog is having a rollicking good time out on a walk and suddenly goes into selective hearing mode, I found its the only way for me to get all the lights back on!!

I personally think it sounds like FIL is using it excessivly rather than spending the time to train his dogs to respect him. Now I dont have to have mine on beau and he knows the word NOW (said very sternly and loudly) is followed by a zap, so NOW is now the quick turn and back to mum word if he contemplates not returning (which tbh is now very very rarely! and NEVER for sheep! YEY!
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FIL sounds like he couldn't be bothered to train his poor dog
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he is sending the poor thing all the wrong signals. Poor thing must be so confused.

How hard is it for a grown man to remove a dachshund from a sofa and say 'no'?!

I used a pinch collar on a big, bolshy dog with dog aggression issues (caused/enhanced by me, unwittingly) as I have discussed on here before.
 
I would say your FIL is just the sort of person who should not use an electric collar, it isn't that difficult to train a dog not to get on furniture for heavens sake. Not sure what advice to offer as I don't suppose he would listen to you if you told him it was wrong
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