‘Silver’ labs. Headdesk
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Spotherisk
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Weimaraner crossed in.
We have a red Labrador, lovely dog and a very typical Lab conformation (won her BASC Keepers class at Crufts a few years ago as a fit working dog) but I’ve seen Viszla crossed in to keep the colour. HPR x Retriever makes for a confused dog.
We have a red Labrador, lovely dog and a very typical Lab conformation (won her BASC Keepers class at Crufts a few years ago as a fit working dog) but I’ve seen Viszla crossed in to keep the colour. HPR x Retriever makes for a confused dog.
Aru
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silver lab=Weimaraner mix.
Gaining Popularity in America. Most came from the one lab kennel initially (who also bred Weims coincidentally)Consistently awful temperament and lots of health issues reported by American vets when they are asked about them. Lots and lots of inbreeding and line breeding just to add to their issues.
Fools and their money....
Gaining Popularity in America. Most came from the one lab kennel initially (who also bred Weims coincidentally)Consistently awful temperament and lots of health issues reported by American vets when they are asked about them. Lots and lots of inbreeding and line breeding just to add to their issues.
Fools and their money....
twiggy2
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You have crossed to the dark side, when did this happen??
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
It drives me nuts! Yellow, black, liver are the correct descriptions of Lab colours. Our 'yellow' was described as 'fox red' by the breeder, she isn't she's a sort of dark butterscotch colour at 12 months. I suppose she might darken a bit more as she ages but she is not going to be fox red. My parents' first dog could have been described as 'fox red' as a pup nearly 70 yrs ago but he wasn't, his papers said 'yellow'. I had a pair of so called chocolate, one was pts with cancer at 18 mths and the other was diagnosed with epilepsy shortly afterwards, I won't have another, although the epileptic one lived a good life to be almost 15.
MrsMozartleto
Just passing through...
That's bonkers.
Screams Weimaraner cross.
Screams Weimaraner cross.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
Ha, I couldn’t catch in my horse one day this week, there was a Viszla at the gate. Describing the incident to someone at the yard, she was like ’What the heck is a Viszla?’ I was like “Looks like a skinny lab, fox colour’. She nodded and said ‘Why didn’t you just say that in the first place?!’
I‘m on there a lot, it”s highly entertaining! Sometimes, actually, it’s very useful, I’ve seen a heck of a lot of useful (and some not so useful!) advice on there. The dog stuff sometimes annoys me, like the cockerpoo breeder who failed to answer why she bred them, like was it to improve the cross? Dare she she didn’t want to say “Money”.
Clodagh
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You're not allowed to nick Tawny's moniker! Shes the worlds first and rarest Butterscotch labrador. Sadly spayed so I cannot make my fortune.
Clodagh
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As for the silvers, theres a stud dog near me in Colchester. He looks like a Chesapeake bay, a weird coat, sort of heavy and curly. TBH if they made lovely healthy silvers with blue eyes I'd have one, I love Weim colouring but couldn't be doing with the madness!!
rara007
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The only silver I’ve seen in for BVAa/KC hip scoring (after her first litter was already done..!) was strangely nervous and aloof for a house kept lab, suspiciously wiemy in temperament and single coated...
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
SAujla
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https://www.thelabradorsite.com/silver-labradors/
Some interesting points but stops short of a real hard stance. They just seem like a cross of a Lab and weimaraner to me. Labs are a popular breed and with show or working types there isn't any need to expand the breed or the colours I don't think, plenty different styles of Labrador can get yellow black brown in show style and yellow black fox red in working style
Some interesting points but stops short of a real hard stance. They just seem like a cross of a Lab and weimaraner to me. Labs are a popular breed and with show or working types there isn't any need to expand the breed or the colours I don't think, plenty different styles of Labrador can get yellow black brown in show style and yellow black fox red in working style
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Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
The colours make no difference at all to the job the dog is best suited for. I really wish that breeders hadn't gone down the route of separating the 2 types, we used to have Labs with dual champions (working and show) in their pedigrees and they were lovely dogs.,
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
the few choc labs i have come across are not good in their temperament. there is one in my village who now has to wear a muzzle because it has attacked so many dogs and it was reported to the police and the dog warden. there was one visiting a house in my village and it bit my on lead collie cross quite badly and i had to take her to the vet for treatment. the owner paid my bill but it still shouldnt have happened i would imagine the so called silver ones will go the same way....as long as their is someone who will pay a fortune, they will keep breeding...
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
I used(30 yrs ago) to have 2 'chocolate' Lab bitches, both lovely dogs, all ways round but both with health problems, mentioned above. One was milk chocolate coloured and the other dark chocolate. I have certainly met others, more recently with good temperaments, although I did know someone who had 2 from different breeders that she could not persuade to get on.
Old books about Labs talk about the 'liver' colour, so brown is not a new colour.
Old books about Labs talk about the 'liver' colour, so brown is not a new colour.
satinbaze
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We are starting to ge "blue" weimaraners in the UK, they already exist in the UK but not recognised by the AKC. They are registered as non standard colour here
GSD Woman
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A friend has a silver lab. The first time I saw him I asked her why she had a Weim with a tail. Open mouth and insert foot. The dog looks and acts like a Weim. My friend got him from lab rescue and he has AKC papers calling him a chocolate. Total backyard/mill breeding but he worked nicely in obedience and got his obedience trial championship.
Meowy Catkin
Meow!
I know nothing about this so had a google.
https://www.perfectdogbreeds.com/si...lver Labrador has a,ancestors were bred to be.
https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/gundogs/gundog-breeds/how-about-a-silver-labrador-45828
https://www.perfectdogbreeds.com/si...lver Labrador has a,ancestors were bred to be.
https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/gundogs/gundog-breeds/how-about-a-silver-labrador-45828
Clodagh
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They ren't actually silver, sort of a muddy choc/grey colour. I can see that it could be natural, spontaneous mutations do occur and ar eoften missed/not valued.
My main gip with them is they are bred for colour.
Like snipey heads on fox reds (HAD TO SAY IT!) which are massively improved now that there are more of them.
My main gip with them is they are bred for colour.
Like snipey heads on fox reds (HAD TO SAY IT!) which are massively improved now that there are more of them.
vallin
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I love our gsp x lab and would quite happily have a weim x lab, but I wouldn't pay for either ?
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
the trouble is that these odd colours get fashionable and then breeders churn them out and sell for loads of money generally without health tests or being careful with temperament. i think this is what happened with choc labs and many of them (obviously not all) have problems the only ones i have met are either bad temperaments or have many health issues with just 1 being the exeption and he has a normal lab temperament and is a really lovely dog...
GSD Woman
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In the USA it is generally accepted by people in the dog world that silver labs started with a cross between Labs and Weims at a particular kennel. Sort of like how "pointing Labs" originated in a kennel that bred both pointers and Labs.
Meowy Catkin
Meow!
'Generally accepted' is not proof either way.
I'd love to know what the 'extensive research' involved though.
A longer quote from the shootingUK link.
I absolutely agree about colour breeding being an issue. We see it time and again with horses and stallions that don't have the conformation to justify staying entire but they are a Cremello/few spot/whatever.
I'd love to know what the 'extensive research' involved though.
A longer quote from the shootingUK link.
I absolutely agree about colour breeding being an issue. We see it time and again with horses and stallions that don't have the conformation to justify staying entire but they are a Cremello/few spot/whatever.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
If there was a proper DNA-based breed registry, then it would be pretty easy to prove or disprove the injection of different blood.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
It's something I had a search around a good while ago and ended up fence sitting on.
There is one on the village who I have seen and the local dog walker puts pics up including him, I do think he looks a bit weird but not sure if that is the colour just throwing me off. He swims like a lab.
There is one on the village who I have seen and the local dog walker puts pics up including him, I do think he looks a bit weird but not sure if that is the colour just throwing me off. He swims like a lab.
GSD Woman
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I think to DNA test whether or not there is Weim in the silver Labs would take something like Ancestery.com level testing. The kennel that supposedly started silver Labs did this 50-60 years ago. I may be wrong on the level of DNA testing though.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
Was it on the mumsnet thread where someone mentioned eye colour being a big giveaway? One imagines seeing an alleged lab with weim eyes would give the game away!
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Just thinking of our own breed lol where it's been in operation for much longer.
A dog now over your side of the pond has been throwing Pandas and large white flashes and there is proof of DNA over many generations rather than people being left to speculate that a collie jumped the fence lol.
Clodagh
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I only know about dilutes in chickens but the eye colour is different so a genuinely silver lab as a result of a spontaneous mutation of a gene would have pale eyes I think.
