1 year old dies after being attacked by a dog
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severnmiles
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Very sad that they are considering banning Rotties in the UK. Don't blame the breed, blame the owner. RIP little boy x
YorkshireLass
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As far as I can see, no one needs a rottie. Any dog has the potential to turn on a human, no matter how well trained and kept. It is arrogant to think otherwise. At least with other sorts of dogs the human will stand half a chance of fighting the dog off.
My horse was attacked by a rottie on the public road. The horse kicked and killed the dog. GOOD!
My horse was attacked by a rottie on the public road. The horse kicked and killed the dog. GOOD!
Christmas_Kate
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That's like saying no-one needs any kind of dog.
121272MDV
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arwful for the family involved but i argee with severn blaming the owner rather than the breed. I personally think that although rotties are big dogs and my be intimidating to others they are one of the most loving breeds of dogs that with the right treatment and care are great family dogs.
also echo kate, I believe your view is very one minded and very crictical of the breed from which from your comments i believe you have never owned
also echo kate, I believe your view is very one minded and very crictical of the breed from which from your comments i believe you have never owned
jollyponies
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they had had the dog 6 months, a 16 yr old girl was looking after 3 children and the yr old baby, she took the baby out to see the dog and the dog took the baby out of her arms.. and you know what happened next..
i think this is very sad but if you have only had a dog for 6 month you dont know it well enough for it to be left with children...
i think this is very sad but if you have only had a dog for 6 month you dont know it well enough for it to be left with children...
Weezy
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Gosh how devestating
I have known 4 rotties VERY well, and all 4 of them were wonderful dogs, really nice to have around, so I am afraid I am with the "blame the owner" on this one
WelshRareBit
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As far as I can see, no one needs a rottie. Any dog has the potential to turn on a human, no matter how well trained and kept. It is arrogant to think otherwise. At least with other sorts of dogs the human will stand half a chance of fighting the dog off.
My horse was attacked by a rottie on the public road. The horse kicked and killed the dog. GOOD!
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Its that kind of view that makes me sick. A jack russell could probably quite easily kill a baby. I dont think a baby stands a chance of fighting any breed of dog off if its hell bent on attacking the child.
All of the rotties Ive known have been excellent dogs.
As far as I can see, no one needs a rottie. Any dog has the potential to turn on a human, no matter how well trained and kept. It is arrogant to think otherwise. At least with other sorts of dogs the human will stand half a chance of fighting the dog off.
My horse was attacked by a rottie on the public road. The horse kicked and killed the dog. GOOD!
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Its that kind of view that makes me sick. A jack russell could probably quite easily kill a baby. I dont think a baby stands a chance of fighting any breed of dog off if its hell bent on attacking the child.
All of the rotties Ive known have been excellent dogs.
Molineux
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I really do feel for the family and that poor child
I blame the owners - I have a Rotti and she would never harm anything.
At the end of the day a Jack Russell could attack if you bring them up to be a gaurd dog.
This is my Rotti - how could anyone say such things about them
I blame the owners - I have a Rotti and she would never harm anything.
At the end of the day a Jack Russell could attack if you bring them up to be a gaurd dog.
This is my Rotti - how could anyone say such things about them
WelshRareBit
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Your dog is beautiful.
nuffield
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I think Rotties should definately be banned along with other guard dog type breeds including GSD and Staffies
only the Armed forces and the Police should be allowed such dogs.
I also think dog licences should come in to force and people be forced to pass a test before they can own a dog of any discription.
I think Rotties should definately be banned along with other guard dog type breeds including GSD and Staffies
only the Armed forces and the Police should be allowed such dogs.
I also think dog licences should come in to force and people be forced to pass a test before they can own a dog of any discription.
martyna
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i have owned my rottie scince he was born 10yrs ago . he has never once so much as growled at any family member and i have 3 children , but hes never left alone with small children as i have common sense . but i will say my jack russel is far more aggressive that my rottie. my thoughts are with the poor family though truly tragic
meandmyself
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Puts on tin hat
I think Rotties should definately be banned along with other guard dog type breeds including GSD and Staffies
only the Armed forces and the Police should be allowed such dogs.
I also think dog licences should come in to force and people be forced to pass a test before they can own a dog of any discription.
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Not really fair at all- I had a GSD and he was a lovely, lovely dog. Very well behaved, gentle, and huggy. There's also at least one GSD guide dog in the area.
I do agree with bringing in licences though- but do you really think they'd work?
Puts on tin hat
I think Rotties should definately be banned along with other guard dog type breeds including GSD and Staffies
only the Armed forces and the Police should be allowed such dogs.
I also think dog licences should come in to force and people be forced to pass a test before they can own a dog of any discription.
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Not really fair at all- I had a GSD and he was a lovely, lovely dog. Very well behaved, gentle, and huggy. There's also at least one GSD guide dog in the area.
I do agree with bringing in licences though- but do you really think they'd work?
alleycat
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I blame the owners - I have a Rotti and she would never harm anything.
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But nor did that dog- until that moment.
I have ranted on another post over the issues I have with dogs off the lead & effectively out of control injuring my livestock, and I'd go so far as to say that my daughter, when a young child, was put at risk by a trusted dog whom we trusted a bit too much; an Irish Terrier belonging to my stepfather, this one, who was thought to be OK with kids- but sensed and resented the bond or special affection between "his" people and my daughter.
I think its the error of judgement thing here.
I foam at the mouth when people do stupid, stupid things like letting their disobedient dogs out to play uncontrolled among (my)livestock and poultry; it seems so incredible that they cannot see that this is unwise; but I've seen otherwise sensible & intelligent people , visiting me, do just that uninvited. " Oh, he'd never hurt anything- he's only playing" (Norweigan Elkhound, this time! Bred to pull down ELK for God's sake! What chance do my chickens stand with that?)
I've come to feel that most dog owners have a blind spot about their own animal or about dogs in general, and a responsible, pragmatic dog owner is actually a rarity- & the first sign that you have of a potential savaging, whether of livestock or a child, is the doting owner who says of this admittedly loving & beautiful purpose-made hunting machine & carnivore- "He'd never hurt anything".
I don't know what the answer is, as dogs seem to have evolved to ingratiate themselves into a human "pack"- (seemingly puppies, unlike wolfcubs, are genetically hardwired to interact with humans) and I think dog lovers will always be inclined to bond with them and trust them; its that bonding that makes the animal so attractive as a pet. Sometimes the trust will be misplaced, although there may have been no previous indication of this.
Maybe the real problem is our culture re. dogs which shows dogs as either angels or villains: perhaps we need a reality check, and people should receive training before they can own a dog.
I would also say that the most independant, intelligent and potentially villainous dogs I have known have been collies and labs.
I blame the owners - I have a Rotti and she would never harm anything.
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But nor did that dog- until that moment.
I have ranted on another post over the issues I have with dogs off the lead & effectively out of control injuring my livestock, and I'd go so far as to say that my daughter, when a young child, was put at risk by a trusted dog whom we trusted a bit too much; an Irish Terrier belonging to my stepfather, this one, who was thought to be OK with kids- but sensed and resented the bond or special affection between "his" people and my daughter.
I think its the error of judgement thing here.
I foam at the mouth when people do stupid, stupid things like letting their disobedient dogs out to play uncontrolled among (my)livestock and poultry; it seems so incredible that they cannot see that this is unwise; but I've seen otherwise sensible & intelligent people , visiting me, do just that uninvited. " Oh, he'd never hurt anything- he's only playing" (Norweigan Elkhound, this time! Bred to pull down ELK for God's sake! What chance do my chickens stand with that?)
I've come to feel that most dog owners have a blind spot about their own animal or about dogs in general, and a responsible, pragmatic dog owner is actually a rarity- & the first sign that you have of a potential savaging, whether of livestock or a child, is the doting owner who says of this admittedly loving & beautiful purpose-made hunting machine & carnivore- "He'd never hurt anything".
I don't know what the answer is, as dogs seem to have evolved to ingratiate themselves into a human "pack"- (seemingly puppies, unlike wolfcubs, are genetically hardwired to interact with humans) and I think dog lovers will always be inclined to bond with them and trust them; its that bonding that makes the animal so attractive as a pet. Sometimes the trust will be misplaced, although there may have been no previous indication of this.
Maybe the real problem is our culture re. dogs which shows dogs as either angels or villains: perhaps we need a reality check, and people should receive training before they can own a dog.
I would also say that the most independant, intelligent and potentially villainous dogs I have known have been collies and labs.
alleycat
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I do agree with bringing in licences though- but do you really think they'd work?
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Yes- and they could be dearer for entire animals, if you found you needed to reduce production- exceptions only for the breeding of guide-dogs. Money to go to providing rehoming services, neutering, doggie bins and training schemes for owners
Wouldn't happen of course; the government would just snaffle the money.
I do agree with bringing in licences though- but do you really think they'd work?
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Yes- and they could be dearer for entire animals, if you found you needed to reduce production- exceptions only for the breeding of guide-dogs. Money to go to providing rehoming services, neutering, doggie bins and training schemes for owners
Wouldn't happen of course; the government would just snaffle the money.
Rachel_M
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Puts on tin hat
I think Rotties should definately be banned along with other guard dog type breeds including GSD and Staffies
only the Armed forces and the Police should be allowed such dogs.
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What a silly and narrow minded idea.
Puts on tin hat
I think Rotties should definately be banned along with other guard dog type breeds including GSD and Staffies
only the Armed forces and the Police should be allowed such dogs.
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What a silly and narrow minded idea.
Sags_Deer
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dreadful news but why leave and 1 year old with a dog!! at that age they are so into annoying anything could the dog have been provoked.
alleycat
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What a silly and narrow minded idea.
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What a silly and narrow minded reply.
I don't think we can deny, in the face of ANOTHER child's death that these dogs are potentially dangerous, if only because their owners' errors of judgement. Given that you cannot suddenly make all dog owners wise, restricting the availability of the dogs is a viable alternative, little as we may like it.
The only questions are, do we lose more than we gain from doing this (in terms of the pleasure that these animals give) and - is this going far enough? Aren't all dogs larger than a pug potentially dangerous?
What a silly and narrow minded idea.
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What a silly and narrow minded reply.
I don't think we can deny, in the face of ANOTHER child's death that these dogs are potentially dangerous, if only because their owners' errors of judgement. Given that you cannot suddenly make all dog owners wise, restricting the availability of the dogs is a viable alternative, little as we may like it.
The only questions are, do we lose more than we gain from doing this (in terms of the pleasure that these animals give) and - is this going far enough? Aren't all dogs larger than a pug potentially dangerous?
starllight
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Ditto. Small minded people
Nickijem
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I think dog licences should be brought back.
Except they should be issued by the police - like a shotgun licence. Then drug dealers, those with any previous etc can be stopped or have their dog confiscated. The cost of the licence pays for these checks to be made.
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Except they should be issued by the police - like a shotgun licence. Then drug dealers, those with any previous etc can be stopped or have their dog confiscated. The cost of the licence pays for these checks to be made.
*runs for cover*
Patches
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What a dreadfully terrifying ordeal for the seven year old and the teenage babysitter to witness...and of course for poor Archie who lost his life.
I'd be more concerned with how the 7 year old came to open a door and let herself out of the house with the baby in her arms. Says the babysitter was upstairs. She could've just nipped to the loo, I realise that, but it does make you wonder who was actually watching the toddler in the first place.
Dreadful tragic accident of course, but it's the fact that this and indeed any other form of accident could be prevented that makes them hard to bear.
I'd be more concerned with how the 7 year old came to open a door and let herself out of the house with the baby in her arms. Says the babysitter was upstairs. She could've just nipped to the loo, I realise that, but it does make you wonder who was actually watching the toddler in the first place.
Dreadful tragic accident of course, but it's the fact that this and indeed any other form of accident could be prevented that makes them hard to bear.
WelshRareBit
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The fact of the matter is had it been any breed it could have harmed a child, people need to realise that kiddies and doggies do not mix, and if you leave your child with one - you only have yourself to blame if something goes wrong. Its not the dogs fault or the childs but the 'competant' adults who put kids and animals into these situations just will not learn.
Rachel_M
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What a silly and narrow minded idea.
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What a silly and narrow minded reply.
I don't think we can deny, in the face of ANOTHER child's death that these dogs are potentially dangerous, if only because their owners' errors of judgement. Given that you cannot suddenly make all dog owners wise, restricting the availability of the dogs is a viable alternative, little as we may like it.
The only questions are, do we lose more than we gain from doing this (in terms of the pleasure that these animals give) and - is this going far enough? Aren't all dogs larger than a pug potentially dangerous?
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The fact is ALL dogs can be dangerous, without the correct training, not just your stereotypical "scary" breeds. In fact, if you research, you will see that other breeds also have attacked humans. Removing a couple of breeds from general sale will not decrease dog attacks. The type of people who train their dogs to be vicious, will carry on incorrectly training other dogs that way, no matter the breeding.
You have to get away from the dogs themselves. It is the people behind the dogs that we need to clamp down on.
Even a Pug can do damage to a baby, if it is encouraged to be vicious.
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What a silly and narrow minded idea.
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What a silly and narrow minded reply.
I don't think we can deny, in the face of ANOTHER child's death that these dogs are potentially dangerous, if only because their owners' errors of judgement. Given that you cannot suddenly make all dog owners wise, restricting the availability of the dogs is a viable alternative, little as we may like it.
The only questions are, do we lose more than we gain from doing this (in terms of the pleasure that these animals give) and - is this going far enough? Aren't all dogs larger than a pug potentially dangerous?
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The fact is ALL dogs can be dangerous, without the correct training, not just your stereotypical "scary" breeds. In fact, if you research, you will see that other breeds also have attacked humans. Removing a couple of breeds from general sale will not decrease dog attacks. The type of people who train their dogs to be vicious, will carry on incorrectly training other dogs that way, no matter the breeding.
You have to get away from the dogs themselves. It is the people behind the dogs that we need to clamp down on.
Even a Pug can do damage to a baby, if it is encouraged to be vicious.
WelshRareBit
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QR!
rforsyth1984
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lets face it, one of the most dangerous creatures to a baby can be.... a cat! Apparently cats like the smell of babies and like to cuddle up to a 'little warm bundle'... doesn't take much to suffocate the baby.
Never should a baby be left without adult supervision IMO.
With regard to dogs, I think licences are the way forward, dogs can be very much what they are brought up to be, regardless of breed. Though some sort of scheme to make scallies and other reprobates have to walk the streets with poodles could be amusing.....
Anyway, I digress. My OH always had staffies, apparently this breed of dog is very good with children, something I would never have believed prior to meeting his dogs, on the other hand the YO's dads miniture dacshund is the most evil and dangerous little horror I have ever met
Never should a baby be left without adult supervision IMO.
With regard to dogs, I think licences are the way forward, dogs can be very much what they are brought up to be, regardless of breed. Though some sort of scheme to make scallies and other reprobates have to walk the streets with poodles could be amusing.....
Anyway, I digress. My OH always had staffies, apparently this breed of dog is very good with children, something I would never have believed prior to meeting his dogs, on the other hand the YO's dads miniture dacshund is the most evil and dangerous little horror I have ever met
alleycat
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Even a Pug can do damage to a baby, if it is encouraged to be vicious
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Not in quite the same league as a Rottie, though, is it...
I have this irresistable vision of RAF dog handlers urging on their attack-trained guard-pugs...
I basically agree though: in fact it was sort of the pont I was making: all dogs are potentially dangerous. So how do you control this?
Even a Pug can do damage to a baby, if it is encouraged to be vicious
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Not in quite the same league as a Rottie, though, is it...
I have this irresistable vision of RAF dog handlers urging on their attack-trained guard-pugs...
I basically agree though: in fact it was sort of the pont I was making: all dogs are potentially dangerous. So how do you control this?
alleycat
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My OH always had staffies, apparently this breed of dog is very good with children, something I would never have believed prior to meeting his dogs
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Yes, I've heard them called "nanny dogs" because they are supposed to look after & guard children. Wouldn't quite go there myself, though...
My OH always had staffies, apparently this breed of dog is very good with children, something I would never have believed prior to meeting his dogs
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Yes, I've heard them called "nanny dogs" because they are supposed to look after & guard children. Wouldn't quite go there myself, though...
severnmiles
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They may not look as frightening as a rottie would, if the army and police wanted a dog that could do damage they wouldn't train Dobes/Rotties and GSD's, they'd train APBT's. A 12 inch JRT can kill a Ewe...imagine what it could to a 1 y.o baby.
WelshRareBit
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You dont leave your kids alone with your dogs. Seems simple to me!
I wouldnt leave a 1year old alone with my horse, so why leave them alone with a carnivorous animal that has the ability to kill it. People never cease to amaze me with their stupidity.
Apparently the child was left, with a 7YO and a 6YO under the care of a 16YO - recipe for disaster anyone?
I wouldnt leave a 1year old alone with my horse, so why leave them alone with a carnivorous animal that has the ability to kill it. People never cease to amaze me with their stupidity.
Apparently the child was left, with a 7YO and a 6YO under the care of a 16YO - recipe for disaster anyone?
severnmiles
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My OH always had staffies, apparently this breed of dog is very good with children, something I would never have believed prior to meeting his dogs
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Yes, I've heard them called "nanny dogs" because they are supposed to look after & guard children. Wouldn't quite go there myself, though...
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I don't think I'd 'quite go there' with any dog. Dogs and babies/children should NEVER be left alone together. And that doesn't matter whether its a Yorkie or a Rottie!
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My OH always had staffies, apparently this breed of dog is very good with children, something I would never have believed prior to meeting his dogs
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Yes, I've heard them called "nanny dogs" because they are supposed to look after & guard children. Wouldn't quite go there myself, though...
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I don't think I'd 'quite go there' with any dog. Dogs and babies/children should NEVER be left alone together. And that doesn't matter whether its a Yorkie or a Rottie!