alleycat
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But a 16yr old is old enough to go out to work, marry, begin a family? Some babysitters are as young as 14- don't know if its legal. but its certainly not uncommon.
1 year old dies after being attacked by a dog
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WelshRareBit
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Here here, lets leave some dumb defenseless things together and see what happens..
Oh my dog bit my kid what a suprise, maybe I should have thought before I acted and left them all in the house together..
Oh my dog bit my kid what a suprise, maybe I should have thought before I acted and left them all in the house together..
rforsyth1984
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why do these incidents always seem to happen when a baby is left with an innapropriate person, I do wonder (!)
In this case, a 16 year old CHILD. and some other children
In a case not so long ago (and fairly local to me) the child was left with a drunken grandma or something
Do we really need Sherlock on the case?
Babies + irresponsible minders + animal = problem!
In this case, a 16 year old CHILD. and some other children
In a case not so long ago (and fairly local to me) the child was left with a drunken grandma or something
Do we really need Sherlock on the case?
Babies + irresponsible minders + animal = problem!
severnmiles
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Alleycat, do you have a dog?
Rachel_M
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I have this irresistible vision of RAF dog handlers urging on their attack-trained guard-pugs...
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Hey, after looking at their faces, even I would be be scared off.
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I basically agree though: in fact it was sort of the point I was making: all dogs are potentially dangerous. So how do you control this?
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I honestly believe that banning the "type" of dogs, that the thugs tend to veer towards, is merely nipping the head off the weed. The root of the problem is still there. The owners. For the majority of Rottie's that are dear family, and very friendly, pets there is one that, being involved in an attack, is blown utterly out of proportion by the media and then the rest of the breed is slurred.
As already mentioned, trying to bring in a system of licensing may be impossible and "monitoring" ownership would be even harder.
The only way to do this is to start right at the beginning, with the children. There is going to be no quick fix for this. We are going to have to raise awareness with the future owners of dogs, the children and make sure they understand correct handling and training.
I have this irresistible vision of RAF dog handlers urging on their attack-trained guard-pugs...
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Hey, after looking at their faces, even I would be be scared off.
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I basically agree though: in fact it was sort of the point I was making: all dogs are potentially dangerous. So how do you control this?
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I honestly believe that banning the "type" of dogs, that the thugs tend to veer towards, is merely nipping the head off the weed. The root of the problem is still there. The owners. For the majority of Rottie's that are dear family, and very friendly, pets there is one that, being involved in an attack, is blown utterly out of proportion by the media and then the rest of the breed is slurred.
As already mentioned, trying to bring in a system of licensing may be impossible and "monitoring" ownership would be even harder.
The only way to do this is to start right at the beginning, with the children. There is going to be no quick fix for this. We are going to have to raise awareness with the future owners of dogs, the children and make sure they understand correct handling and training.
WelshRareBit
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why do these incidents always seem to happen when a baby is left with an innapropriate person, I do wonder (!)
In this case, a 16 year old CHILD. and some other children
In a case not so long ago (and fairly local to me) the child was left with a drunken grandma or something
Do we really need Sherlock on the case?
Babies + irresponsible minders + animal = problem!
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So true.
Regardless if some people may think its a good idea to leave their 1YO child with a 16YO, its certainly NOT a good idea to add in a 6YO a 7YO AND a big dog...
why do these incidents always seem to happen when a baby is left with an innapropriate person, I do wonder (!)
In this case, a 16 year old CHILD. and some other children
In a case not so long ago (and fairly local to me) the child was left with a drunken grandma or something
Do we really need Sherlock on the case?
Babies + irresponsible minders + animal = problem!
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So true.
Regardless if some people may think its a good idea to leave their 1YO child with a 16YO, its certainly NOT a good idea to add in a 6YO a 7YO AND a big dog...
WelshRareBit
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True Huggy bear, people have a responsibility to their kids to bring them up respecting the dog, understanding it and accepting it for what it is.
On this site alone there are so many good dog people, so if this is a reflection of life, surely there are enough sensible people out there to change the ways of the incompetant owners.
On this site alone there are so many good dog people, so if this is a reflection of life, surely there are enough sensible people out there to change the ways of the incompetant owners.
nuffield
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Some very good points here.
Alley Cat, very well said, all of it.
I simply fail to understand how anyone can own a dog without having a licence. as already said, any dog can bite, but some dogs are bred to do that , bite and attack, ergo are therefore more likely too and so as a type are more dangerous. Unless someone is in the security business why on earth would anyone want a Rottie anyway? are they sad people with inadequate personalities.? I agree about Border Collies , as a sheep farmer our BC are working dogs, the most dangerous ones i've ever seen are household pets. I just cannot understand how people become attached to dogs, they are animals, not family members.
Alley Cat, very well said, all of it.
I simply fail to understand how anyone can own a dog without having a licence. as already said, any dog can bite, but some dogs are bred to do that , bite and attack, ergo are therefore more likely too and so as a type are more dangerous. Unless someone is in the security business why on earth would anyone want a Rottie anyway? are they sad people with inadequate personalities.? I agree about Border Collies , as a sheep farmer our BC are working dogs, the most dangerous ones i've ever seen are household pets. I just cannot understand how people become attached to dogs, they are animals, not family members.
WelshRareBit
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I can completely see how people get so attached, what I cannot understand is when they let their emotions get in the way of common sense, I had a dog that bit, everyone was warned about him, he was never left alone with strange adults, let alone children. Subsequently he only ever managed to bite two people, one who ignored my warnings and the other who was the first person he bit. Both could have been avoided by more intelligence on my part, in my defence I was younger then.
Grown adults have no such reason for such gross negligence of both their kids and their pets, both of which have been put into their care expecting them to know better...
Grown adults have no such reason for such gross negligence of both their kids and their pets, both of which have been put into their care expecting them to know better...
severnmiles
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Nuffield, are you licenced for your horse?
alleycat
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I don't think I'd 'quite go there' with any dog. Dogs and babies/children should NEVER be left alone together. And that doesn't matter whether its a Yorkie or a Rottie!
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Agree- but when the dog is a trusted part of the family its easy to forget; and the trust itself can give the dog ideas above its station.
When my stepfather's previously blameless dog (about 7 years old, used to kids) turned on & bit my daughter, I was present; about six feet away. He had previously shown no resentment or jealousy. The child wasn't molesting the dog, or even touching him and was quiet; in fact she was standing still because I was about to take her photo. We were not anywhere near any of the dog's possessions- bones, dish, kennel. It was (with hindsight, which is a wonderful thing) clearly a dominance issue; the dog was trying to put the upstart pup in its place. She was three. He got her by the head; he wasn't trying to kill her (or he would have done it) but she shrieked, and had I not already by this time leapt in to drive him off, this itself might have driven him further.
More revealing is perhaps my stepfather's reaction; I kicked out at the dog to get it away from the child. "Be careful! " he yelled- " You could give him a heart attack!"
Could this have been forseen? I don't know. I didn't forsee it; I was aware of the possibility of the dog being jealous and had been looking out for that- but he seemed fine. But then I'm not that experienced with dogs. The owner, my stepfather, had no inkling at all. He trusted & doted on the animal, and perhaps this was the trouble.
I don't think I'd 'quite go there' with any dog. Dogs and babies/children should NEVER be left alone together. And that doesn't matter whether its a Yorkie or a Rottie!
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Agree- but when the dog is a trusted part of the family its easy to forget; and the trust itself can give the dog ideas above its station.
When my stepfather's previously blameless dog (about 7 years old, used to kids) turned on & bit my daughter, I was present; about six feet away. He had previously shown no resentment or jealousy. The child wasn't molesting the dog, or even touching him and was quiet; in fact she was standing still because I was about to take her photo. We were not anywhere near any of the dog's possessions- bones, dish, kennel. It was (with hindsight, which is a wonderful thing) clearly a dominance issue; the dog was trying to put the upstart pup in its place. She was three. He got her by the head; he wasn't trying to kill her (or he would have done it) but she shrieked, and had I not already by this time leapt in to drive him off, this itself might have driven him further.
More revealing is perhaps my stepfather's reaction; I kicked out at the dog to get it away from the child. "Be careful! " he yelled- " You could give him a heart attack!"
Could this have been forseen? I don't know. I didn't forsee it; I was aware of the possibility of the dog being jealous and had been looking out for that- but he seemed fine. But then I'm not that experienced with dogs. The owner, my stepfather, had no inkling at all. He trusted & doted on the animal, and perhaps this was the trouble.
nuffield
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Yes I have my BHS qualifications 
And a driving licence for my car.
And a driving licence for my car.
Stella
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As far as I can see, no one needs a rottie. Any dog has the potential to turn on a human, no matter how well trained and kept. It is arrogant to think otherwise. At least with other sorts of dogs the human will stand half a chance of fighting the dog off.
My horse was attacked by a rottie on the public road. The horse kicked and killed the dog. GOOD!
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They are fabulous dogs when the temperament and training is right, but they are terrifyingly strong when either or both of these things is wrong and a mere human could not pull off a determined adult male if it was determined. You'd have a chance with a bitch (there is a big difference is size and weight in that breed), but a lot of damege would still be done in the process.
I have two standard poodles now as less work (physically and psychologically) has to go into the training than is needed in the 'guarding breeds' - and I'm getting on a bit! Even so, one of them is quite jealous in respect of me, so I wouldn't have her around a tiny child. The other is a pussy cat. They would only be with children under supervision anyway.
From what I know of this baby's death, It was an accident, with no-one to blame.
As far as I can see, no one needs a rottie. Any dog has the potential to turn on a human, no matter how well trained and kept. It is arrogant to think otherwise. At least with other sorts of dogs the human will stand half a chance of fighting the dog off.
My horse was attacked by a rottie on the public road. The horse kicked and killed the dog. GOOD!
[/ QUOTE ] I had a Rottie bitch for 12 years until she was PTS with cancer. She grew-up with my children. She was a great guard of the house and family, but she was also intelligent and kind. always sweet with the children. When she died, we were devastated. We bought a Rottie dog puppy as we couldn't find a bitch puppy and we were keen to fill the gaping hole in our lives. He was a beauty and we adored him. Sadly, when he was 15 months old we had to return him to the breeder. We had raised him the same way as our bitch, firm and fair, lots of affection, but clear boundaries. He was always pushing them though and was becoming increasingly aggressive. It was clear to us that he would attack someone one day. It turned out, he was the third from his litter that had gone this way. One had already bitten a judge at a show!
They are fabulous dogs when the temperament and training is right, but they are terrifyingly strong when either or both of these things is wrong and a mere human could not pull off a determined adult male if it was determined. You'd have a chance with a bitch (there is a big difference is size and weight in that breed), but a lot of damege would still be done in the process.
I have two standard poodles now as less work (physically and psychologically) has to go into the training than is needed in the 'guarding breeds' - and I'm getting on a bit! Even so, one of them is quite jealous in respect of me, so I wouldn't have her around a tiny child. The other is a pussy cat. They would only be with children under supervision anyway.
From what I know of this baby's death, It was an accident, with no-one to blame.
WelshRareBit
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The answer is in the last part of your story, you arent that experienced.
Certainly with my dog I knew when he was going to turn, body posture, eyes etc will tell you how the dog is feeling long before he acts - they are all there to be seen if you know what to look for, but your situation is in no way linked to the story here.
Im sure some of the more knowledgeable dog people here will know the answer but I personally doubt wether a dog perceives if a human trusts it or not - I dont know either if a dog would be able to percieve this and act upon it in a deliberate way...to suggest such is perhaps putting too many human feelings on the dog.
Certainly with my dog I knew when he was going to turn, body posture, eyes etc will tell you how the dog is feeling long before he acts - they are all there to be seen if you know what to look for, but your situation is in no way linked to the story here.
Im sure some of the more knowledgeable dog people here will know the answer but I personally doubt wether a dog perceives if a human trusts it or not - I dont know either if a dog would be able to percieve this and act upon it in a deliberate way...to suggest such is perhaps putting too many human feelings on the dog.
severnmiles
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Yes I have my BHS qualifications
And a driving licence for my car.
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A BHS qualification is not a licence for your horse.
Yes I have my BHS qualifications
And a driving licence for my car.
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A BHS qualification is not a licence for your horse.
WelshRareBit
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Yes I have my BHS qualifications
And a driving licence for my car.
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A BHS qualification is not a licence for your horse.
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Yes I have my BHS qualifications
And a driving licence for my car.
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A BHS qualification is not a licence for your horse.
[/ QUOTE ] I quite agree - it is neither compulsory nor neccessary in owning a horse. A car licence is a good example but not very comparable to owning a live animal.
severnmiles
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Yet a horse is more than capable of killing a grown adult....
WelshRareBit
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Agreed although thats a whole different argument!
severnmiles
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Agreed although thats a whole different argument!
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Not really, if the rule applies to ban rotties because one in several thousand kills a child then I feel we should have a level playing field and ban horses too, or atleast licence them. Whats good for one is good for t'other....surely?
Agreed although thats a whole different argument!
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Not really, if the rule applies to ban rotties because one in several thousand kills a child then I feel we should have a level playing field and ban horses too, or atleast licence them. Whats good for one is good for t'other....surely?
WelshRareBit
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Quite right I agree, infact I think TB's should be on the dangerous breeds list too because we all know how notoriously nutty and evil they ALL are ...
Stella
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Surely licening will just be another money raising exercise for the exchequer! Passports for horses had the potential to protect horses, but in practice, I suspect we all agree, they are a waste of time apart from raising money for the exchequer!
WelshRareBit
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**** it while we here why dont we ban cars as well because of the odd few wankers who insist on driving drunk!?
alleycat
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Alleycat, do you have a dog?
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Yes, I do now....
My dad wanted a dog when he was young; wasn't allowed one. (They got him a TORTOISE instead
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I went off dogs and grew up NOT a dog person (oddly though, I couldn't have horses either, but I never went off them.)
So then my daughter (aged about 10 at the time) got it into her head that she wanted a dog. (She had & still has a passion for animals and had many pets; but a dog, of course, is in a league by itself). I resisted this at first, but looked at the pattern of my own life & my father's and wondered if denying her this for now was going to make her lose an empathy for dogs in later life.
I decided, though that I would load the dice in my favour and find a small dog of a companion breed- in the (mistaken)belief that small dogs are easier to handle and that a pedigree puppy wouldn't have any past "issues" like, say, a rehomed dog, which I might not be competent to deal with. We had a lot of support, too, from a friend who is professionally & personally a dog-person.
So we got a Papillon. WHAT a culture shock! 300 years of lap-dog breeding haven't removed the pack instincts and even something the size of a rabbit is remarkably intimidating when set on world domination. She also has a really good nose, and I've seen her track my daughter around the field by scent, twenty minutes after she had walked that way.
Shes a smashing little dog: for my daughter's sake I'm glad we got her and its given me a lot more respect for the species in some ways, but without really converting me personally into a dog person. I can see why people get hooked, though. But I can see too that dogs can be a lot more "wolf" than I realised before.
Alleycat, do you have a dog?
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Yes, I do now....
My dad wanted a dog when he was young; wasn't allowed one. (They got him a TORTOISE instead
I went off dogs and grew up NOT a dog person (oddly though, I couldn't have horses either, but I never went off them.)
So then my daughter (aged about 10 at the time) got it into her head that she wanted a dog. (She had & still has a passion for animals and had many pets; but a dog, of course, is in a league by itself). I resisted this at first, but looked at the pattern of my own life & my father's and wondered if denying her this for now was going to make her lose an empathy for dogs in later life.
I decided, though that I would load the dice in my favour and find a small dog of a companion breed- in the (mistaken)belief that small dogs are easier to handle and that a pedigree puppy wouldn't have any past "issues" like, say, a rehomed dog, which I might not be competent to deal with. We had a lot of support, too, from a friend who is professionally & personally a dog-person.
So we got a Papillon. WHAT a culture shock! 300 years of lap-dog breeding haven't removed the pack instincts and even something the size of a rabbit is remarkably intimidating when set on world domination. She also has a really good nose, and I've seen her track my daughter around the field by scent, twenty minutes after she had walked that way.
Shes a smashing little dog: for my daughter's sake I'm glad we got her and its given me a lot more respect for the species in some ways, but without really converting me personally into a dog person. I can see why people get hooked, though. But I can see too that dogs can be a lot more "wolf" than I realised before.
Patches
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The fact of the matter is had it been any breed it could have harmed a child, people need to realise that kiddies and doggies do not mix, and if you leave your child with one - you only have yourself to blame if something goes wrong. Its not the dogs fault or the childs but the 'competant' adults who put kids and animals into these situations just will not learn.
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I agree to a certain extent, but then I never said that all Rotties should be banned, nor did I blame the dog in this instance.
Heck, little terriers have awful locking jaws too and can certainly do alot of damage to a small child. I was bitten by a Westie once, had to have several stitches to my hand. Not nice but would've been alot worse on a child.
The fact of the matter is had it been any breed it could have harmed a child, people need to realise that kiddies and doggies do not mix, and if you leave your child with one - you only have yourself to blame if something goes wrong. Its not the dogs fault or the childs but the 'competant' adults who put kids and animals into these situations just will not learn.
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I agree to a certain extent, but then I never said that all Rotties should be banned, nor did I blame the dog in this instance.
Heck, little terriers have awful locking jaws too and can certainly do alot of damage to a small child. I was bitten by a Westie once, had to have several stitches to my hand. Not nice but would've been alot worse on a child.
WelshRareBit
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Sorry Patches that reply wasn't aimed at you!
DressageDiva1962
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As far as I can see, no one needs a rottie. Any dog has the potential to turn on a human, no matter how well trained and kept. It is arrogant to think otherwise. At least with other sorts of dogs the human will stand half a chance of fighting the dog off.
My horse was attacked by a rottie on the public road. The horse kicked and killed the dog. GOOD!
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Sorry love but you are out of order with these comments, you wouldnt stand a chance with any breed of big dog, as with any breed of dog Rottweilers are okay in the right hands. I dont think being pleased that a dog was kicked to death by a horse is very nice, its the owner of the dog you should be angry with.
As far as I can see, no one needs a rottie. Any dog has the potential to turn on a human, no matter how well trained and kept. It is arrogant to think otherwise. At least with other sorts of dogs the human will stand half a chance of fighting the dog off.
My horse was attacked by a rottie on the public road. The horse kicked and killed the dog. GOOD!
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Sorry love but you are out of order with these comments, you wouldnt stand a chance with any breed of big dog, as with any breed of dog Rottweilers are okay in the right hands. I dont think being pleased that a dog was kicked to death by a horse is very nice, its the owner of the dog you should be angry with.
Neddies
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Firstly this is so sad that a child lost his life.
I've known a few rotties and they've all had very good temperaments apart from one which belonged to my neighbours, small people with a big powerful dog not a good mixture in this instance, they appeared to encourage it's aggresive behaviour and liked to intimidate people with it, after it killed one of my cats (which they tried to keep secret) and then savaged my other cat I moved house. Now that was a dog that belonged to irresponsible owners and I blame them for the way it turned out.
The most vicious dogs I have come across are terriers, but then think about the difference in the size of the jaw compared to a rottie. Yes terriers could do some damage to a human being but the damage isn't in the same league compared to what rotties can and have done!
I can fully understand people's opinions on wanting breeds like rotties banned as there have been some awful stories in the press about babies and children being mauled to death by them and again recently of a kennel maid loosing one arm and possibly her other arm due to a maulung by a rottie, BUT, I can't help but feel that it's not the breed as such that should be blamed but perhaps the unscrupulous breeders who are breeding these dogs purely for profit and not taking into consideration the temperaments of the dogs they are using for breeding, anyone can go out and buy one of these dogs and they can be a very dangerous weapon in the wrong hands.
Another thing to look into is how the dogs are trained and kept, all dogs should be trained to a certain level of obedience but dogs of this caliber in particular, they need to learn from any early age that they are not the leader of the pack. Also how many of these dogs are kept as pets but not properly exercised? The Rottie that killed my cat rarely left the house, when it did it was just walked up the road and back on the lead, it must have been going stir crazy being shut up in a house all day.
Just my thought on the matter anyway.
I've known a few rotties and they've all had very good temperaments apart from one which belonged to my neighbours, small people with a big powerful dog not a good mixture in this instance, they appeared to encourage it's aggresive behaviour and liked to intimidate people with it, after it killed one of my cats (which they tried to keep secret) and then savaged my other cat I moved house. Now that was a dog that belonged to irresponsible owners and I blame them for the way it turned out.
The most vicious dogs I have come across are terriers, but then think about the difference in the size of the jaw compared to a rottie. Yes terriers could do some damage to a human being but the damage isn't in the same league compared to what rotties can and have done!
I can fully understand people's opinions on wanting breeds like rotties banned as there have been some awful stories in the press about babies and children being mauled to death by them and again recently of a kennel maid loosing one arm and possibly her other arm due to a maulung by a rottie, BUT, I can't help but feel that it's not the breed as such that should be blamed but perhaps the unscrupulous breeders who are breeding these dogs purely for profit and not taking into consideration the temperaments of the dogs they are using for breeding, anyone can go out and buy one of these dogs and they can be a very dangerous weapon in the wrong hands.
Another thing to look into is how the dogs are trained and kept, all dogs should be trained to a certain level of obedience but dogs of this caliber in particular, they need to learn from any early age that they are not the leader of the pack. Also how many of these dogs are kept as pets but not properly exercised? The Rottie that killed my cat rarely left the house, when it did it was just walked up the road and back on the lead, it must have been going stir crazy being shut up in a house all day.
Just my thought on the matter anyway.
Tia
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Poor child. Very sad accident.....again.
I honestly have no idea what the people who are harping on about dog licences are expecting these licences to achieve? Can anyone tell me?
I live in a country where Dog Licences are mandatory, along with certain restrictions and regulations, which have no authority over me as I do not live in town and instead reside on a farm.
All of my dogs have Licences.....and? What difference will a Dog Licence make in your opinion? Because I'm not getting your point.
As for people having a choice as to which dog they have; well I own 3 dogs in all; 2 are here for a purpose, 1 is perfectly capable of taking down wolves and bears so wouldn't have too much trouble killing even a grown human. The reason I chose this breed of dog is because of the wolves and bears; no I would not have a breed such as this if I lived in similar locations to some of you, but it would still be my choice to if I wished. How do you think you could possibly decide what type of people would be allowed to have certain dogs?
The bottom line is; dogs and children just don't mix.
Poor child. Very sad accident.....again.
I honestly have no idea what the people who are harping on about dog licences are expecting these licences to achieve? Can anyone tell me?
I live in a country where Dog Licences are mandatory, along with certain restrictions and regulations, which have no authority over me as I do not live in town and instead reside on a farm.
All of my dogs have Licences.....and? What difference will a Dog Licence make in your opinion? Because I'm not getting your point.
As for people having a choice as to which dog they have; well I own 3 dogs in all; 2 are here for a purpose, 1 is perfectly capable of taking down wolves and bears so wouldn't have too much trouble killing even a grown human. The reason I chose this breed of dog is because of the wolves and bears; no I would not have a breed such as this if I lived in similar locations to some of you, but it would still be my choice to if I wished. How do you think you could possibly decide what type of people would be allowed to have certain dogs?
The bottom line is; dogs and children just don't mix.
WelshRareBit
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I think the point people are trying to make with the licensing is that you stop the wrong type of people being able to have ANY dog. I quite believe that if you did choose to have any of the breeds you talked about above, in a different situation, you would manage them appropriately and have no such problems with your dog, thats because you are a good dog owner.
Some people could manage to have problems with any dog and thats because they are not capable dog owners and shouldnt be allowed to look after mice, let alone dogs. I guess you cant stop people choosing these type of breeds but what you can do is stop them from getting into the hands of the dross of society who seem to have these dogs as status symbols and have no idea of effective management or handling.
Some people could manage to have problems with any dog and thats because they are not capable dog owners and shouldnt be allowed to look after mice, let alone dogs. I guess you cant stop people choosing these type of breeds but what you can do is stop them from getting into the hands of the dross of society who seem to have these dogs as status symbols and have no idea of effective management or handling.
foxviewstud
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well said severn i agree with you, i have grown up with rotties and they are a very placid breed, how come you never hear of the so called family dogs attacking and killing because that would not be as exciting as a rottie doing it. yorkshire lass any dog is capable of going for a horse and i think your coment was harsh and upsetting.as severn has said a terrier is more than capable of taking down a ewe and often bite kids but they are not slagged off why????some of the coments have really upset me as there is normally a reason for the dog to attack they are not like humans who murder for the fun of it. wat the hell was that child doing being allowed to get near to a dog they only had for 6months and prob do not know her full history sorry but i would put some of the blame on the owners and the babysitter for allowing the children access to the dog in the first place.