1 year old dies after being attacked by a dog

some good points here and i am so glad more people are saying its the owners not the breed.good example of this in kennels we had a stray rottie come in and he was lovely had no problems with him, and this dog was with us for nearly a yr he was then rehomed to people that i wish never had him but in was out of my control, they kept him thin and hit him a lot, he came back to us for boarding and he went for me when i tried to take an empty bowl away something he would never of done before this dog looked like he was around 9/10yrs old that day but he was only 2yrs old i was so upset by what he had become because of bad ownership.
 
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Personally I don't think its the dogs but the people that own them and the circumstances the animals are kept in. I would never personally want a rottie, although I do have a JRT cross and a Border Collie. I think the world of my dogs but I would never ever trust them with a child, BUT if you have an dog that is bred to do a job, why in god's name would you allow small children round it anyway?

I agree that horses are dangerous too, all animals are dangerous because their unpredictable (as far as we are concerned) but horses by nature are flight animals, not fight animals which is the difference IMHO.

The dog didn't just bite the baby, she grabbed him in order to kill him so FGS of course we need licences and we need to re-educate people to be responsible when they are going to chose a "pet."

Poor little boy.
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It was awful but no dog should be left alone with kids, full stop!

The opinion about banning breeds is all well and good but there are enough 'banned' pit bulls about to tell us it doesn't work!
 
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Personally I don't think its the dogs but the people that own them and the circumstances the animals are kept in. I would never personally want a rottie, although I do have a JRT cross and a Border Collie. I think the world of my dogs but I would never ever trust them with a child, BUT if you have an dog that is bred to do a job, why in god's name would you allow small children round it anyway?

I agree that horses are dangerous too, all animals are dangerous because their unpredictable (as far as we are concerned) but horses by nature are flight animals, not fight animals which is the difference IMHO.

The dog didn't just bite the baby, she grabbed him in order to kill him so FGS of course we need licences and we need to re-educate people to be responsible when they are going to chose a "pet."

Poor little boy.
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i disagree with the last bit if she had grabbed him to kill him the baby would not have needed to go to hospital as the dog would have killed instantly. rottweilers are actually bred to be multi purpose in germany they are bred to guard and to be a family pet. and taliking about dangerous animals wat about people????i trust my rottie with my child more than any stranger.
 
My neighbour has 3 dogs 2 labs and a german sheperd,now these dogs are well looked after and the owners think the world of them but 2 of them i wouldnt trust as far as i could throw them.A few months ago we were going out in the car as we went out to the parking bay the neighbour was in her car with the dogs in the boot.Its a big car a volvo estate, as soon as we walked past the car to our car the dogs went balistic throwing themselves at the window barking and going mad. I dread to think what would of happened if those dogs had got loose they went mental luckily the owners have no children.Is it always the owners fault that dogs turn or can some dogs have it in them these dogs are a prime example of it i think. They are never off the lead when they are taken out but i wont walk past them if i see them they frighten me.
 
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A few months ago we were going out in the car as we went out to the parking bay the neighbour was in her car with the dogs in the boot.Its a big car a volvo estate, as soon as we walked past the car to our car the dogs went balistic throwing themselves at the window barking and going mad. I dread to think what would of happened if those dogs had got loose

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There are so many mixed opinions on this one,,, but:

Firstly what a terrible tragedy, and my heart goes out to the parents of poor Archie, and those girls who had to witness such an awful scene.

ALL dogs have the ability to hurt us. Wether they mean to or not.
I have personally been bitten twice and neither of those times i would count as my FAULT. 1st time by my friends next door neighbours very vicious German Shepherd. He lived in a snoopy kennel in the back garden tied to a few feet of chain. He would spin round and round snarling at us if we were in the garden. One day i went to call for her (the 2 gardens were attatched by a communal front gate!! "Sabre" was somehow free from his chain...... He launched himself at me and took a chunk out of my bum!! i was 10 years old
This was an unprovoked attack, and the dog should have been destroyed. As an animal lover i pleaded with my mum to let it go. I don't know if he went on to attack anyone else!!

Second time.... i was on holiday with my step nan. She has a westie and a rottie x lab. I was watching tele and the big dog was lay beside me. I was gently stoking his paw (and had been for a while) without a warning growl or anything else, he shot up and had hold of my face.
Again this dog was spared!!!!

I know of a rottie, that pulled a neighbours lad off his bike and mauled him and broke his arm. And my friend had a Rottie x Belgium shepherd (a lethal combination) he was bought as a 7 week old pup and raised very well BUT..... he was never destined to be a pet. I loved him to bits, but would never trust him. He had some very big issues in his head. And was a very scary dog.

Now i'm sure there are some very lovely rotties out there. No sorry i know there are. But at the end of the day, they are a guard dog. And no matter how we treat them, or how we raise them, that is in them, and always will be.
As with all breeds, they all have a use. I have a terrier, she has never been trained in the art of catching things, but she will sit for hours and wait for a mouse, or a rat.

Sorry if i offend any rottie owners, but this is a breed not there as a family pet. They have a place in the world to do a job, but don't put them in a position where they are likely to cause damage.
I see what everyone else has said, about all dogs. But i would far rather be savaged by a Jack russell, etc, than a rottie. At approx 10 stone, who would stand a chance.
As Tia said, she has her dog, to protect her from wolves and bears. It is doing it's job, and is not there to be a pet
 
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err, because the child is dead! I don't think the attack was just a warning do you?
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As correctly said, if you read back, if the Rottie (given it's size and known power) attacked to kill, the baby would have been dead along time before it reached the hospital. It did, unfortunately, die of its injuries but those were not necessarily inflicted to kill the baby.

So yes, the attacked could have very well been a warning that was inflicted on something a lot smaller, and more easily wounded.
 
Well admittedly I made an assumption tbh when I said that the animal grabbed the child in order to kill it, but we can't really say that she didn't aim to kill because the other child was there also who I think , tried to intervene (correct me if I'm wrong.) I am not saying that the dog wanted to kill because of its breeding, I'm saying that it could be due to the environment it was kept in.

TBH I am sure my dogs would be fine with children on their own. But then I will never test that because I will never leave them alone with a child.
 
The end result was that the child was killed by the direct actions of the dog, for whatever reason, provoked or not or as a warning or not.
 
Forgot to mention.......

On the other side of the coin

I had a resue lurcher, who had a serious case of fear aggression. With strangers, especially men. He would go mad at them, showing his teeth and barking. Even chasing them if they came near me. He never acted on this though, just made his warning known. I don't know if he would have taken action to protect me if necessary.

Anyway, this dog was the perfect family pet. He never showed any kind of agression with any of my family or friends. My daughter (who was 4 at ther time he came) was told and told how to treat a dog. I have pics of them cuddled up asleep together. But she knew if he was sleeping, to leave him alone, and to respect his space.
In our home there was harmony

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my nephew came to stay over christmas with my mum.
He pestered my poor dog continuously, and was told and told to leave him alone. Or he would get bitten
It took 3 days, but in the end my "poor" dog, got fed up and took a snap at him. I think it was meant to be a warning, but he caught the top of his head, and frightened the life out of the damn kid!!!!
Needless to say, said child was told it was his own fault, and the dog, NEVER blotted his copy book again
 
True but there is a difference.

I do believe, and I still stand by what I said earlier, that it is the education of the children where we should start.

Rottie's are pets and can be very good pets, as long as you understand that, just like any dog, they need correct training and most of all respect the fact that are dogs. As I do with my Labrador crosses.
 
I have heard (although im unsure how reliable my source is) that the breed responsible for most dog bites in the country is the retriever.
I believe that in MOST cases it is the way a dog is treated that causes these terrible tragedies to happen.
 
This is also what I was pointing out, I have no doubt that rotties can make good pets. If they are living with an educated owner in the right environment.

What I am saying is that the environment some "dangerous" animals are kept in is part of the problem and I agree that children need educating but the responsbility must lie with the owners. At the end of a day, a child is just a child and can't be blamed for any outcome, howsoever caused when the child is that small.
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You could say the same about the animal though, if the dog isn't taught by the owner it doesn't know if it's doing right or wrong.

Has anyone else noticed that these incidents are happening in similar settings? I don't mean at home but the types of homes? Says it all really! Well IMO
 
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echodomino yes! But I was trying not to point it out!
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Ooops! LOL
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Well I am known for saying what I think without thinking of the consequences!!!
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At least it's not just me!
 
That is the point of why I get frustrated, when people want to ban an entire breed.

We do not know the entire circumstances of what happened, and the environment and training that dog was given, so we can not judge and condemn an entire breed on the standard of one incident.
 
Have not read the whole thread, so apologies if someone has already said this, but rottweilers are like horses and quad bikes. If you don't have the space, the knowledge and the common sense to operate them properly, they are dangerous.
The danger is in a society that encourages people to believe they can do/have/be anyone anything they can dream up, whether or not they have the space, money, talent or brain cells to match. 'Self esteem' allows them to know no sensible limitations.
Every other kid just wants to be a 'celebrity'.
 
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Have not read the whole thread, so apologies if someone has already said this, but rottweilers are like horses and quad bikes. If you don't have the space, the knowledge and the common sense to operate them properly, they are dangerous.
The danger is in a society that encourages people to believe they can do/have/be anyone anything they can dream up, whether or not they have the space, money, talent or brain cells to match. 'Self esteem' allows them to know no sensible limitations.
Every other kid just wants to be a 'celebrity'.

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You see, I am a firm believer that anyone can be anything they want. That is how the others succeeded and, if no one bothered to try and raise their standards, what a poor world we would live in.

I am glad the world is, in fact, a free place- Where people are given the support to try their best and not like the world you want.
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But there's a difference becoming what you want to be, by dint of hard work, and changing the circumstances so that you *are* in a position to have a big dog, a horse, or what ever, and just assuming it's ok for you to have one, because someone else has, and it goes with the music you like and your haircut.
Raising your standards would imply becoming a responsible person, able to deal with these things, learning about them, keeping them in sensible conditions, and not ending up causing an accident.
The world, however, is not a free place, by any stretch of the imagination, and not many countries even deserve that title.
 
It does not matter what the breed of dog is- all breeds are descended from wolves and have a natural fight instinct however cute or fluffy or big and brute like. Trying to ban certain breeds is like trying to ban certain breeds of horses. What if one horse breed was found to cause more injuries than another would we accept that to be banned!!!
Dogs behave according to how they are treated if they are allowed to be the alpha dog then they will assert this if they feel threatened such as by a new family member. Unfortunately all these children being killed seem (and i assume this) but they seem to be owned by people who have no idea how to control animals let alone be responsible for their own children. Where was the mother, why was a 7yr old allowed to take the baby to see the dog, WHERE WAS HER SUPERVISION is the real question. I feel sorry for the 7yr old who will have to live with her actions for the rest of her life. I feel that dog licences are the way forward to prevent such incidents arising. No more idiots owning animals.Sorry if you dont agree but this really gets my goat!! And yes i am a dog owner i have two greyhounds.
 
I agree with both you, no, when it comes to animals (and *arguably* dangerous ones) people shouldn't be allowed to get whatever they want. They must have the right environment and the knowledge to deal with that particular animal and its not the 7 year old that has to live with her actions it's her mother and whoever was caring for her at the time! She's just a child.
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Its absolutely no different from someone with no prior knowledge of horses saying they will have a TB off the track and keep it in their back garden. People need to be responsible for whatever is in their care.
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That is very true. They must also admit the responsibility when things go wrong, whilst children and animals are in their care and not just brand the animal, when often situations could be entirely avoided, entirely at fault.
 
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