10month colt biting me

ok thanks im going to bring him up again 2day if i goes to bite ill give him what for and see what happens. he realy is a sweet boy and doesnt attack me when in field with him poo picking he just follows me round. he often tips my barrow over when its full. he has come on in leaps and bounds just gone back 1 step with the bitting. but im sure hell come round
 
amymay I didn't say "trailing behind" I said behind, it can be to the side, but if you do this from day 1 your foal / youngster will not run over you - this concept with some people is like smacking your head against a brick wall as they cannot let go

Foal, horse - either way 60kg versus 100kg+ and you will loose a tug of war period!

Also where did you get "Having something on meters of lunge line trailing randomly behind does not seem sound or logical advice - just dangerous"

UK lead rope 1.2m
Western rope 3.2m
Lunge line - DO NOT USE THIS (that clear enough?) 10m

Please watch the YouTube video I posted, I know the sound is a bit rough, but the point is made clearly

I am keen on this as a lot of people get hurt - especially in the racing world, where they are hanging onto them for grim death and so close a hoof in the face is common
 
amymay I didn't say "trailing behind" I said behind, it can be to the side, but if you do this from day 1 your foal / youngster will not run over you - this concept with some people is like smacking your head against a brick wall as they cannot let go

Sorry, I simply have too much self preservation :o

Foal, horse - either way 60kg versus 100kg+ and you will loose a tug of war period!

But I've never had a tug of war.

I am keen on this as a lot of people get hurt - especially in the racing world, where they are hanging onto them for grim death and so close a hoof in the face is common

I think you need a certain amount of experience to do what you are advocating. And it certainly wouldn't be a good place for a novice to start. But can see how perhaps it may be something to develop in the future for the more experienced handler.
 
my 10month old colt is trying to bite when being led he walks with his ears back neck and head extended and teeth ready. he doesnt do it when im stroking him over fence\stable or in field. he has started doing it when being groomed he will try and bite my legs. so far i have been ignoring the behaviour as i felt he was trying to get reaction out of me. but obviously hasnt worked. so how do i stop him doing this. he hasnt dropped yet so cnt geld him. i have tried telling him no and backing him up but he still does it. i have also tries pintching his lip when he trys to bite that stops him for all of 3 seconds.
He doesn't do it to you in the field as that's where he wants to be. He sounds like he's doing it when you take him away from his comfort zone. This is very typical of youngsters to do that, they try to let you know they're not happy with this arrangement. Sadly they have to learn that what you says goes and that the world won't end because you're making him go or do something he doesn't want to at that moment in time. This is different from the nipping in play that some youngsters do. What he does with his friends in the field is play, what he's doing with you when you take him out isn't play, although it can develop into it. What I would do is keep your sessions where he's taken away from where he wants to be, short. Do what you have to do, demand good behaviour when doing this and pick him up on bad behaviour every time. Lengthen the time he spends out and about and he'll get into the routine eventually. Don't treat him like a baby, as I said on another thread that only leads to problems. Give praise when he's good and reprimand when he's bad. Lead him at your shoulder and walk with confidence, teach stopping and walk-on. I don't care to smack youngsters (although I will if they get way above themselves), I tend to have the left hand with the excess rope and I'll raise that in front of their faces to steady them down a bit if they get too ambitious with their walking speed. I will flick them with the lead to get them to take notice. Basically don't fall into the trap that he's a youngster and therefore needs an easier time of it, he doesn't, he needs to learn that what you say goes.
 
Oh dear lord the BHS brigade are out in force!!

Amy if you *think* you can hold a 600kg horse by its head under its chin you are either a super heavyweight power lifter or have some weird idea that a 60kg human can control a horse by being on its head

If you yank a horse around under its chin its going to stand on you, this is a classic BHS and awful way to teach a youngster to walk

Please watch this for a drop of common sense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBHd...DvjVQa1PpcFMWj-i1KBmj1AJR9E-g1e9s_7c9CCsW6Q4=

Nope. I've never had any BHS instruction. I'd just rather not have a horse behind me which puts me in a good spot to get trampled, kicked or bitten.

I like my horses to walk next to me with slack in the rope- baby or not. I walk next to their shoulder so I can see what they're doing and watch their facial expressions.

I stopped watching the video the second time he said brainwashed.
 
Why can't everyone just take best of both worlds?

There's some common sense in the video and also leading at the shoulder. I still think hitting horses is not necessary but everyone is entitled to thier opinions on this one.

In Spain, they teach horses to lead at more than arms length, but in the eyeline. Nothing wrong with that either.

Some countries dont even have headcollars and lead in groups of youngstock from the neck with long ropes. Not sure I'd try it but there you are, different doesn't always mean wrong.
 
I haven't watched the video so can't comment on that but the idea of a horse following me goes completely against the grain for common sense and safety to me. If it's held under the chin, whether the rope be a bit longer or not is neither here nor there but if you can control the head you can control the hindquarters away from you so out of immediate danger.
I'm definitely old school in that I like my horse close so I can keep out of the way.
 
Amy if you *think* you can hold a 600kg horse by its head under its chin you are either a super heavyweight power lifter or have some weird idea that a 60kg human can control a horse by being on its head
Yes you can, but obviously not by brute force.

If you yank a horse around under its chin its going to stand on you, this is a classic BHS and awful way to teach a youngster to walk
Yanking is always to be avoided if at all possible. I notice John O'Leary is not averse to yanking e.g. at 3:36 in the video (when the horse was standing quietly! Note "licking and chewing" afterwards).

It's interesting, but is just one way to do it - not the only way. I don't agree with the idea of being more frightening to the horse than the thing they are scared of. That seems a recipe for getting the horse more agitated and does not represent "good leadership" imo. In the video, O'Leary does best with this horse when he is calm and reassuring and not yanking.

O'Leary does say don't ever take your eyes of a horse or he'll run over the top of you. Does that mean that when you're leading a horse from in front, as he recommends, you must constantly be looking back? That isn't necessary when the horse is at your shoulder and in your peripheral vision.

He doesn't like 6ft leadropes and he's entitled to his opinion of course. However, the length of rope he keeps between his hand(s) and the halter isn't far off 6ft (maybe even a bit less) for a lot of the time. If you're hanging on to a rope close to the headcollar, of course it will be "ripped" from your hand if you try holding on to it there come what may - but that is not the only way to use a 6ft leadrope! Is it really what the BHS teaches??

I don't disagree that a longer rope is useful in some circumstances - such as leading a big horse past spooky things, as here - but being so dogmatically opposed to the use of shorter ropes is unhelpful I feel.
 
I wouldn't bother watching the video to be honest, that guy is full of nonsense (and perhaps some good stuff hidden amongst it if you can be bothered trailing through it all)

I mean

http://www.horseproblems.com.au/horse_problems_warning_page.htm
Well, I agree with a lot of the points - but some, such as "Cotton lead ropes cause ignorant horses" and "Webbing Halters cause ignorant horses" are clearly nonsense. Maybe he's been brainwashed. :rolleyes:
 
I wouldn't bother watching the video to be honest, that guy is full of nonsense (and perhaps some good stuff hidden amongst it if you can be bothered trailing through it all)

I mean

http://www.horseproblems.com.au/horse_problems_warning_page.htm

:rolleyes:

These made me laugh:

Webbing Halters cause ignorant horses.
Cotton lead ropes cause ignorant horses.
6 foot long lead ropes are too short for control or safety. Buy a 3.6m long Parelli type rope.

But then he's already said:

Tying horses up solid with rope halter and Parelli type lead rope can cause serious injury to the horse if you have not done your homework and learnt about the 30 or so traps.

So I think he's a bit confused. :confused:
 
Ha ha!! This has reminded me of something my farrier told me about the other month! He said he went to a yard where a woman made him walk around her horse's field holding each one of his farriery tools, following the horse around. She then brought the horse in and insisted on tying it up with a 'parelli' rope - he said the horse was stood in the next County while he was trying to trim!! She has apparently asked him to watch some natural horsemanship dvds with her too...at least that's what she says they are!! :o
 
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