12hh pony - are we asking him to do a role he’s not really happy in?

maya2008

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So… we have a very child friendly little lad, who is currently adapting amazingly to teaching my daughter’s friend to ride. She’s wobbled about a bit and he didn’t bat an eyelid, they’re hacking on a long lead in walk and trot and he has been perfect. He’s safe taking my nervous 8 year old out off lead on floppy reins, and will go in front if she asks. Prefers to wander behind though. He will take the 8 year old round an arena but makes her ride - if she forgets her reins he will just cut corners and wander into the middle.

With my 10 year old on him, he’s learned to go on the bit and has done basic schooling (turns, circles etc). He’s not a fan though - likes to fall out through his shoulder and be awkward when he decides this has gone on long enough. Has the most amazing, scopey jump but prefers to jump from trot rather than canter (he will, but likes to check it’s safe for a second before taking off!). He’s been xc (following as it was his first time) and was a good lad. At arena hire he will jump round a course on his own, steadily, and has improved hugely with fillers. Barely looks at them now. Out hacking he’s mostly an on the buckle ride, but will spook in front with son. Will go out on his own on roads and tracks, but no open fields thank you - point blank refuses. Wants a human or another horse with him.

Son wants to train and compete, to hack out solo (which he is doing on another pony) and have fun. He’s backed 4 in the last year and all the others are quite happy in their jobs, no issues - so I don’t think it’s him. He adores this pony and pony him, so I think the pony tries and tries, perhaps in a role he doesn’t really want to do, because he adores the child. Then it gets too much and he just downs tools, runs out through the shoulder and says no. Given his stellar performance as a lead rein pony, I am beginning to wonder if he would actually prefer the slower pace of life teaching kids to ride, rather than being pushed to compete. He’s 6, backed a year, sound, tack fits (any issues of any kind and he won’t be caught so we really are sure all is good!!), dentist etc up to date, has always been the same. He can be an awkward soul in the field too - likes to push the others round a bit to ensure they know who is in charge.

I could switch my daughter onto him for a bit so son can school her pony on for her. Is it worth a try to see if he would be happier in that role?
 
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Different kind of horses but I've had a few horses over the years who have preferred one type of role, not necessarily the one they have been bred for or have the physique for. We've had the event-bred that disliked competition but adored hacking for hours and took great pride in looking after his rider, the Heinz57 cob who was a dressage diva in disguise and a couple of show-quality natives who were like chalk and cheese- the absolute showgirl and one who hated competition but has the most marvellous paces at home.
They have all shown me what job they enjoyed the most so I'd say give it a try with your chap. A pony who enjoys looking after his little riders is a most precious beast!
 

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Ha! Yes I bought a mare whose breeder was convinced she should be a show jumper. Bloomin' horse was no jumper at all so we did dressage and long distance instead. (did manage a WH class and a couple of clear rounds!) Any way, circumstances changed and I sold her back to her breeder who claimed i had spent much too much time and effort on her dressage and immediately put her into training with a show jumping yard, pretty profesional place. She never ever got even a clear round with them! Definitely horses for courses.

Edited to add: If your horse is good at a particular discipline I believe it is because they are happy doing it, why waste time and effort trying to make them into something they are not.
 

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He sounds a bit lazy and perhaps lacking in confidence without a handler. He could be good as gold doing lead rein as it’s less effort for him? If he’s as slim as he should be and not hugely unfit, it could just be that he’d prefer a more sedate life.
 

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It’s like he tries really hard to be brave and then just bottles it after a while. Like me jumping really 😂. Son took him round the jumps today then I popped my daughter on. He toddled happily over a cross pole, let her sort her balance out and rewarded her getting it right by going a little more forwards.

We’ll try it for a couple of weeks and see I think. He’s more of the ‘refuse to move’ persuasion with a less confident rider, so I know she’s safe while we experiment!!
 

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Running strongly through a shoulder would send me looking to posture and compensatory movement patterns. Stand him up and take good clear square photos all round and get serious with having a look at him, Tami Elkyam and Equitopia Center (FB etc) have some great resources to help you analyse what's going on. Not that many bodyworkers really look at this in the round as it's not front and center in too many training courses.
 

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Running strongly through a shoulder would send me looking to posture and compensatory movement patterns. Stand him up and take good clear square photos all round and get serious with having a look at him, Tami Elkyam and Equitopia Center (FB etc) have some great resources to help you analyse what's going on. Not that many bodyworkers really look at this in the round as it's not front and center in too many training courses.

I appreciate your thoughts but he’s not lame and not uncomfortable in any way. They get checked at every ride for regularity of movement, even muscle development, any knots, lumps and bumps,saddle fit etc. I have more than enough ponies to rest them, so any signs of anything wrong and that is what we do. They all know they can hang back at catching time and I will check them over immediately. He particularly won’t come at all if something isn’t right (saddle usually). He also doesn’t do it all the time or in a pattern that suggests pain. He would just really prefer to follow rather than lead. He finds leading stressful, and if you keep pushing it, he evades. I thought with time his confidence would grow. It has, to a point, but no more. Or perhaps, thinking about it, it is about being in charge. He’ll happily go first looking after small ones…
 
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