2 tb mares at slaughter house :-(

The horses were with the meat man. Weigh in value for the foals is negligible, selling them at 150 the pair probably covers what he paid for them plus mares, so he's covered and hook price for the mares will be in his pocket.
Am glad the foals are getting another chance, and I hope they don't suffer from now on. But the cycle will go on, and buying them to save them just confirms to the meat dealers that a profit can be made in the business.
 
rhino said:
But surely you can't buy from the 'meat man'. Makes a mockery of people trying to do the right thing for their old/injured horse or dangerous horses... They sell them for slaughter to ensure their future...
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Anyone sending to slaughter doesn't give a toss about their future. If they did, they would give them the dignity of being PTS at home rather than selling to the meat man. Animals can smell the blood at the slaughter house whilst they wait their turn. It's a cruel ending for any animal.
 
Wagtail said:
Anyone sending to slaughter doesn't give a toss about their future. If they did, they would give them the dignity of being PTS at home rather than selling to the meat man. Animals can smell the blood at the slaughter house whilst they wait their turn. It's a cruel ending for any animal.
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Nonsense :rolleyes:

I'm not saying improvements couldn't be made but to say anyone sending an animal to slaughter 'doesn't give a toss' is simply not the case.
 
The Virgin Mary said:
I say often on threads like this There IS a fate far WORSE than death & the rescue organisations/markets see it on a daily basis :-(
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Wagtail said:
Anyone sending to slaughter doesn't give a toss about their future. If they did, they would give them the dignity of being PTS at home rather than selling to the meat man. Animals can smell the blood at the slaughter house whilst they wait their turn. It's a cruel ending for any animal.
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Sorry but that is rubbish.

rhino said:
Nonsense :rolleyes:

I'm not saying improvements couldn't be made but to say anyone sending an animal to slaughter 'doesn't give a toss' is simply not the case.
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Totally agree with Rhino. For those on a limited budget & without the facilities to bury the carcase the slaughter house provides a much needed service. Horses sent in privately are not sold on, & are not kept waiting either - that's why they have to be booked in, & many owners will choose to wait while the deed is done. It's a far better option than abandonment which is becoming far more common as the recession bites even harder.
I've accompanied horses for friends & clients in the past, & never had one react in anyway out of the ordinary on arrival. Having said that I do prefer to take them to the kennels, but thats a personal choice & any humane method is better than the despair that neglected horses must feel.

I am also glad the at least the foals are being given a chance, & I wish them long & happy lives in caring homes.
 
Wagtail said:
Anyone sending to slaughter doesn't give a toss about their future. If they did, they would give them the dignity of being PTS at home rather than selling to the meat man. Animals can smell the blood at the slaughter house whilst they wait their turn. It's a cruel ending for any animal.
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Taking your own horse to slaughter, waiting with it whilst its done and giving it a quick, dignified end is just about the best thing for a lot of horses. Most owners dont send them to slaughter- low end dealers who are selling irresponsibly bred rubbish may sell them at market where someone may buy them to take to the slaughter house.

Turst me, having seen many horses go through Potters, not one has any idea what's coming- they stand happily munching their hay
 
The Archangel Zebedee said:
Sorry but that is rubbish.



Totally agree with Rhino. For those on a limited budget & without the facilities to bury the carcase the slaughter house provides a much needed service.
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Yeah they must really care what happens to the horse when they'd rather line their pockets with a few hundred from the meat man rather than fork out a hundred quid to have the horse dealt with at home by the local hunt. Many of the people who send horses to slaughter could even well afford to have them PTS by vet and cremated. They often have other 'useful' horses they can easily afford to take care of. They just choose to make a few quid instead. IMO if someone can't afford a dignified ending for a horse then they can't afford a horse in the first place.

Horses sent in privately are not sold on, & are not kept waiting either
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Then why are these mares due to be slaughtered 'on Sunday?'

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Wagtail said:
Anyone sending to slaughter doesn't give a toss about their future. If they did, they would give them the dignity of being PTS at home rather than selling to the meat man. Animals can smell the blood at the slaughter house whilst they wait their turn. It's a cruel ending for any animal.
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I do have to agree with Wagtail on this one. I think it's different if you take your horse yourself and wait while it's done (I still couldn't do that with one of mine though), but those who send them there and don't have any idea how it's done or see the horse through to the end - they're the ones that don't give a toss.
 
As much as I dislike the idea of horse slaughter, I can see both sides.
Wouldn't you rather they be put out of their misery instantly and painlessly? If they're no use to anyone then they could be sold cheap and misused or abused?

On the other hand, I love horses and I don't agree with horse slaughter. :l I think it is mean these tb's been bred and then sold to the meatman.
But thats life, and Even if everyone on horsemart tried to stop horseslaughter it would still happen. :(

*Sending painless and peaceful vibes to the mares*
 
The title of this thread is incorrect

The horses are 'with the meat man'' ie a person who buys the unwanted at sales and transports to either Potters or Red Lion.

As I understand it the foals are safe--will go to new home tomorrow, the mares will go to abattoir as the asking price of £450 each is unreasonable. Bottom end at York and other sales-- TBs go through at approx £250 each

Better than starving like the Antrim ponies!
 
"IMO if someone can't afford a dignified ending for a horse then they can't afford a horse in the first place."

'dignified' really isn't the operative word - I think it's 'humane'.
To my mind, there is no more dignity in a huntsman's bullet, than a slaughterman's, the end is the same, quick and painless. The only way to be certain that your horse is going to get the 'end' you want, is to take it to the slaughterhouse/kennels, and wait while the deed is done. If, for some reason, you can't do it yourself, ask a friend. As for "can't afford it" - there are many reasons why someone needs to recoup some money on a horse. Who are we to judge - it is their horse, their decision, and their business. As long as the end is humane, what does it matter?

"Then why are these mares due to be slaughtered 'on Sunday?'"

I am guessing because they were bought at auction by someone who's business is buying cheap horses, and then taking them to slaughter for a profit. That person is not at fault - if anyone is at fault, it is the owner who consigned them to the uncertain future of auction in the first place. They still want some money, but can't, for whatever reason (guilt? ostrich syndrome? distance to slaughterhouse?) take the horse themself. I believe when individuals take their horse to slaughter they are given a time slot/appointment. Larger 'business' lorry loads wait in large outside pens and get slaughtered at the end of the day. I also believe equine slaughter houses have set days for horses, and other beasts are done on separate days. Slaughtering days are not the same as auction days, which vary countrywide.

If, indeed, this is the actual scenario, in THIS case
 
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rhino said:
But surely you can't buy from the 'meat man'. Makes a mockery of people trying to do the right thing for their old/injured horse or dangerous horses... They sell them for slaughter to ensure their future...
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It does seem to happen--remember the yard who sent 5 to Potters but they never got there and the country was searched for them as one in particular was dangerous to ride
Not sure I could find the thread on here.
 
Cuffey said:
It does seem to happen--remember the yard who sent 5 to Potters but they never got there and the country was searched for them as one in particular was dangerous to ride
Not sure I could find the thread on here.
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I think, sadly, there are unscrupulous 'meat men' in the same way as all other walks of life. I have heard that several years ago, a horse was 'sent' to kennels, and ended up sold on, at auction, by a dishonest hunt servant. If you need to 'send', as opposed to 'take', your horse to slaughter, use a recommended service, with a good reputation.
 
dunkley said:
If, indeed, this is the actual scenario, in THIS case
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Which seems highly unlikely as
a) the accompanying photo was NOT taken recently
b) the abbatoir near Huddersfield closed many years ago, when the EU regulations closed many small slaughterhouses
c)the two preceding points mean that it IMPOSSIBLE for what has been posted on fb to be true.

Some very emotive posting about a purely fictitious scenario IMO.
 
SamanthaUK said:
As much as I dislike the idea of horse slaughter, I can see both sides.
Wouldn't you rather they be put out of their misery instantly and painlessly? If they're no use to anyone then they could be sold cheap and misused or abused?

On the other hand, I love horses and I don't agree with horse slaughter. :l I think it is mean these tb's been bred and then sold to the meatman.
But thats life, and Even if everyone on horsemart tried to stop horseslaughter it would still happen. :(

*Sending painless and peaceful vibes to the mares*
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Well put. The only thing I don't agree with is being "against horse slaughter". In the end, slaughter's just a word for killing (as is pts) and as long as there are unwanted horses or horses in pain, there will have to be ways of killing them.

As long as the horse is killed without fear or suffering, I don't think it matters to the horse whether its remains are buried at home or fed to the lions at the zoo. Like the idea of dignity, those are human concerns.

IMO a better thing for people to campaign against is the over-breeding of horses and ponies in the first place.
 
I find it difficult to understand why people are so opposed to taking or sending a horse to a licenced slaughterhouse. If a horse has no future, for whatever reason, surely a quick, painless end to it's life is preferable to being passed around or just left in a field and dying in extremis in the mud.

Owners who sign their horses out of the foodchain are significantly reducing the options of the horse's owner at the time when that horse needs to be pts. A veterinary visit, administration of lethal injection and the subsequent collection and incineration, can run up to around £500.

A lot of owners are shocked to find out the cost, many cannot afford it, and plenty will leave the horse, hoping it will just die in it's sleep. How can this be better?
 
Wagtail said:
Anyone sending to slaughter doesn't give a toss about their future. If they did, they would give them the dignity of being PTS at home rather than selling to the meat man. Animals can smell the blood at the slaughter house whilst they wait their turn. It's a cruel ending for any animal.
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Nonsense. I have and always will TAKE my horses to an abbatoir. I also have enough respect to stay with them until the end.
What happens to a carcasses once dead is irrelevant.
At least there is nobody profiting from providing 'sanctuary' to animal that was unwanted or unhealthy.
 
Wagtail said:
Anyone sending to slaughter doesn't give a toss about their future. If they did, they would give them the dignity of being PTS at home rather than selling to the meat man. Animals can smell the blood at the slaughter house whilst they wait their turn. It's a cruel ending for any animal.
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Wagtail said:
Yeah they must really care what happens to the horse when they'd rather line their pockets with a few hundred from the meat man rather than fork out a hundred quid to have the horse dealt with at home by the local hunt. Many of the people who send horses to slaughter could even well afford to have them PTS by vet and cremated. They often have other 'useful' horses they can easily afford to take care of. They just choose to make a few quid instead. IMO if someone can't afford a dignified ending for a horse then they can't afford a horse in the first place.

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So wagtail do you think all horse slaughter houses should be closed?
if they are the cruel places you think they are? if so i really dont think you see the bigger picture here !
It is all very well slatting the people that use these places, but if they werent there to be used, british horses would be in a far worse state then they are now.
 
Fii-ling Festive said:
So wagtail do you think all horse slaughter houses should be closed?
if they are the cruel places you think they are? if so i really dont think you see the bigger picture here !
It is all very well slatting the people that use these places, but if they werent there to be used, british horses would be in a far worse state then they are now.
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No I don't. And I don't see any difference between slaughtering cows or pigs and slaughtering horses. Both are just as unpleasant and sometimes not immediately effective and humane. I just think that anyone who loves their horse would not send it there. It is far less stressful on the animal to PTS at home.

My point wasn't that slaughter houses should be closed, but that if an owner really gave a toss about their horse they would have it PTS at home.
 
pines of rome said:
My horses have and always would be pts at home in familiar surroundings, there is no way on earth that I would consider sending them away!
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Me too. I would never contemplate having any of my horses go through a slaughterhouse. Mine are killed at home with their friends around them and me being with them till their last breath. It's the least I can do for them for serving me well throughout their living years.
 
Spring Feather said:
Me too. I would never contemplate having any of my horses go through a slaughterhouse. Mine are killed at home with their friends around them and me being with them till their last breath. It's the least I can do for them for serving me well throughout their living years.
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I would do the same for any of mine. But these horses are NOT loved, NO-ONE obviously feels that they owe them this, so what is the solution?
 
I think looking at the condition of the mares in question and the situation it is blatantly obvious the owner is not attached to them particularly as he bought them to send to the slaughter and probably nor was their previous owner hence they were being passed from pillar to post!
 
rhino said:
I would do the same for any of mine. But these horses are NOT loved, NO-ONE obviously feels that they owe them this, so what is the solution?
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I have nothing against slaughterhouses. They serve a purpose as in this case where no-one loves them nor feels any debt to them. Mind you, I don't love a lot of my horses either but I do feel I owe them as peaceful an ending as I can. I do have experience of livestock slaughterhouses though and they aren't horrific like some people seem to think but taking my horses there just doesn't sit right with me I'm afraid.
 
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