2012 Olympics: when the "master race" within UK equestrianism ate the seed corn

Rachel Mawhood

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In the current issue of H&H, it is suggested that critics of using Greenwich Park as the Olympics venue were won round or "disappeared". They haven't disappeared; rather, their reasoned voices have been drowned out by the white noise of propaganda and hype.

Consider this: 7 years ago, the BEF feasibility study concluded that the 2012 equestrian competition could be staged for £6.2 million. By 2010, the budgeted figure was £42 million. Guess how much it has actually cost to stage the Olympic equestrian events ... £120 million.

This has massive implications for the future of UK equestrianism. Once the "feel good" factor passes, and you start the next equestrian seasons with reduced prize money and increased registration fees; when more shows and events struggle to survive, will you only then appreciate that 95% of the same effects could have been achieved at Windsor - with that little shack as the iconic backdrop, instead of Canary Wharf - and perhaps also feel that in hindsight £120 million could have been better spent!?

From where I am standing, it looks as if the "master race" within UK equestrianism have played a blinder. Not only have they spent three times the budget - remember, these are millions we are talking about, not thousands - they have "pulled up the ladder" after themselves at the Olympics. They have eaten the seed corn - taxpayers' money - that could have built up the facilities for the whole of UK equestrianism. Their sense of entitlement has been pandered to, indulged and reinforced: look, they were allowed to take over and massively damage a Grade I Listed Baroque English landscape, a UNESCO World Heritage Site no less, with a palace in the background. They broke every international and domestic wildlife, environment and conservation law that protected Greenwich Park. They almost got away with stealing mains water and electricity for the event.

"Inspire a Generation"? Such hypocrisy. In future international competitions including the Olympics, the up and coming young competitors are likely to be those anointed by the master race within UK equestrianism, mostly from their own class. (No matter how talented a young equestrian from a council estate, the master race don't want to find themselves having to share facilities and glory with the untermenschen.) And that is because it is still the 14th century in UK equestrianism - the master race have eaten all the pies.
 
Well I thought it was ace - absolutely loved every single second of it and was pleased that the equestrian community got to join in the party atmosphere in London for the duration of the Olympics especially at the Gold and Saddle :D

Whilst its not a venue which arguably we don't need they have at least done this http://www.hoof-in-town.com/ which is aimed to encourage Londoners to ride and to seek the funding that is required to bring elite riding to the council estate masses (see free riding section). I honestly can't say I've ever experienced people being background checked when turning up at shows so I can't see how the 'master race' would be turning them away with their new found riding skills.

As for budget - I'm pretty sure I paid a good chunk of the cost by buying some pretty expensive tickets (worth every penny I may add) :)

PS where do you get your figures from - just out of interest, I'd like to take a nosey at how much they spent (the accountant in me).
 
Well you were wrong weren't you, wasn't the crashing disaster you'd hoped for.

Define disaster. Three times the budget sounds like a disaster to me.

The attempt to steal electricity would likely have been a disaster, if they had not been found out.

Catastrophic dereliction of duty by all the statutory authorities is a disaster for democracy and the rule of law.

It has been disastrous for Greenwich Park and Circus Field but I know that you don't care about that.
 
I don't get what the budget has to do with anything...I thought the Olympics as a whole went over budget, so why single out the equestrian events?

And Greenwich was a brilliant venue! We had a poll on here not too long ago and the majority of people, many of whom had been skeptical to begin with, said they'd been won round. I certainly though Greenwich was wonderful when I was there for the team SJ finals (:D) - well laid out, well organized, and so central!! Basically, you're just annoyed that it wasn't the huge flop you'd hoped for. I'll admit that I wasn't too sure Greenwich was the right place originally (I was in the "what's wrong with Windsor?" camp), but I'm happy to admit that I was wrong.
 
As for budget - I'm pretty sure I paid a good chunk of the cost by buying some pretty expensive tickets (worth every penny I may add) :)

PS where do you get your figures from - just out of interest, I'd like to take a nosey at how much they spent (the accountant in me).

You are not really paying attention: what proportion of £120 million is the amount you paid for your tickets? (More about the source of the figures eventually.)
 
I don't get what the budget has to do with anything...I thought the Olympics as a whole went over budget, so why single out the equestrian events?

And Greenwich was a brilliant venue!

Read my lips: £120 million of taxpayers' money. Someone in Government must have been signing off bought invoices like there was no tomorrow.

Greenwich Park is a brilliant public park (open every day of the year since 1820 until your lot took it over totalitarian-fashion for the Olympics) and UNESCO World Heritage Site. To make it your "brilliant venue", more than 600 trees were vandalised (for things like "horse walks" and tv views, nothing to do with normal Park management) and poisoned. In the soil under the cross-country track every living thing has been killed - insect, fungi, micro-organisms - by the surfactant used to try to made the grass hold water; yet the going was still hard as nails on the day it mattered and probably cost TeamGB the gold medal for the eventing.

Part of this famous and much-loved public Park is still closed because - revoltingly - it was used as an open-air toilet by hundreds if not thousands of spectators because LOCOG failed to provide enough portaloos (although I did warn them, when their loo arrangements were published back in April).
 
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You miserable cow. Why not take a look at the bigger picture. If you can't see it then you may need glasses.

First time I have been on this forum since early January. I see that the standard of the debate on this subject is much the same as it was then.

I am looking at the bigger picture - the one in which UK equestrianism threw away a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to have its national facilities upgraded at no cost to the sport - and, as the UK's opponents in other countries are already using their upgraded facilities, UK equestrianism is likely to weaken over the coming decade.
 
You know what, I was going to type out a massive long response addressing all your points but in the end I decided I would be wasting my time. The Olympics were wonderful, equestrian events included, but some people are born to moan and complain even when, as it turns out, there wasn't really that much to moan and complain about in the first place. And you, it would appear, are one of these people. So excuse me while I go off and bask in my happy memories of the Olympics...I shall leave you to your doom and gloom.
 
Good plan HR. I will do the same and leave the thread too, as frankly, I don't care for a second what she's droning on about.
 
You are not really paying attention: what proportion of £120 million is the amount you paid for your tickets? (More about the source of the figures eventually.)

I am paying attention - that was something called humor, sorry if it was lost on you.

I'm off too - long live the Olympics in Greenwich - was amazing.
 
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At least be honest Rachel - you don't give a toss about Equestrianism!

Greenwich Park was a fabulous venue for spectators - I had a wonderful time that I will never forget.

What's done is done, it's a waste of energy to keep going over it, surely your energy is now best spent making sure the Park is restored?
 
Also just to be clear what damage has been caused by having it at Greenwich, absolutely none. The parks looking better than it has for a long while.
 
Actually Cally, you can see quite clearly where fences have been and a bit of wear & tear on the spectator parts of the course. But going by the photos on flickr I've just been looking at, the Royal Parks have already cut, raked and re-sown those areas affected, thus making the damage highly unllikely to be noticeable in 6/8 weeks time.

As much as I adored Greenwich as a venue and still don't believe the UK can afford to run a national competition centre (everywhere else is going bust as it is), I will be interested to see what the lawns are like behind Queen Anne's house come September when it all comes down...
 
Read my lips: £120 million of taxpayers' money. Someone in Government must have been signing off bought invoices like there was no tomorrow.

Rachel I voted in the poll mentioned above that Greenwich was a success. If I had known that was the cost, I would not have done so. Thankyou for highlighting this. I am sure there are others who feel like me who are not contributing to this thread because of the unreasonable vitriol it has raised.

Sailing was held extremely succesfully at Weymouth. The Equestrian events would have been just as brilliant, and cost a shedload less taxpayers' money, at any one of a number of more suitable venues than Greenwich.

I think people are confusing you criticising the venue with criticising our wonderful results, which would equally well have been achieved at Badminton, Burleigh, etc.
 
Cptrayes - if you think that's too much for a venue, what about the cost of the Olympic Park? Is that not a success despite it costing far more than Greenwich? Moreover, for the most part is actually only temporary (the hockey pitches will be removed, the sides of the aquatic centre are going and the entire waterpolo venue is again only temporary). Also pretty sure the very top of the stadium will be taken down too...
 
Teapot there's no damage to the listed buildings though and someone on here posted pictures of what it looked like the other summer a couple of years ago and how lush and green it is now. Agree with you there is cosmetic work to be done when it all comes down but that's all
 
Oh she's back.... I don't understand why???
OP, you have tried to make arguments from every angle.
You are now resorting to cost and legacy - coming from someone who was banging on about equestrianism being elitist in one paper, so why do you care?

Also what about the extra revenue and coverage bought to Greenwich. The place was buzzing, busy (in a good way) and I plan to go back. Surely that's a good thing, or do you not like visitors to Greenwich who support your local economy and business.

The park is in better condition than it's ever been, and I'm sorry, but you really need to get over this. You must have a very limiting life if all you can do is spend years trying to cover every conceivable avenue to ban the games from Greenwich, and now it's coming to an end you continue to stretch this out... Totally pointless.

I was there, it was easy to get to from Kings Cross, the trains and tube were not busy, the roads were quiet, and everyone was happy and smiling.
Yes, we won Gold, Silver and Bronze medals, for which I'm thrilled.
But the venue itself was a triumph, stunning setting, well organised, and being so central was attended by none horsey folk who would not have travelled to a venue out of town. On Dressage finals day, there were certainly no problems with loos, and to be honest first I heard of it.

I feel sorry for you, that this appears to be your main focus in life... What will you do in 12 months time, when the Olympics are a memory, and the park is still looking better than pre Olympics.

Can't you just sit back and revel in how well we as a nation have done, and how fortunate Greenwich was to have played a major part in that success. I have even heard it said, that Greenwich was seen as the most desireable & stunning venue to be at.

Please go away... You are on a forum for all things Equestrian, do you honestly think we want the joy of success tainted by your diatribe.
 
First time I have been on this forum since early January. I see that the standard of the debate on this subject is much the same as it was then.

I am looking at the bigger picture - the one in which UK equestrianism threw away a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to have its national facilities upgraded at no cost to the sport - and, as the UK's opponents in other countries are already using their upgraded facilities, UK equestrianism is likely to weaken over the coming decade.
Long live the Revolution, Rachel you really want to wind up a few alarm clocks here!
I can't help but agree that an opportunity was missed, OK Dressage venue excellent, but all temporary, and as for the going in the X-country, I would not be surprised if there were several very lame horses from slipping. The course was designed for TV footage it was spectacular, no doubt, though now it seems it is all about time, and this is not what I really want to see tested to the limit.
The existing venues are all struggling to make eventing viable & I don't see this as a great way to spend money tbh.
PS if you read few George Orwell novels you might come up with a more appropriate mixed metaphor
 
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For the one millionth time: Shooter's Hill, Ebony Horse Club, Wormwood Scrubbs Pony Club and all the other urban riding spots that benefitted from the Olympic legacy cash...

And please, don't reiterate that thing you trotted out earlier about how the kids in Brixton are only riding because they're on benefits and they'll stop when the benefits run out. Because it is so untrue in so many ways. But it was very revealing of how you thought about them.
 
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I am looking at the bigger picture - the one in which UK equestrianism threw away a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to have its national facilities upgraded at no cost to the sport - and, as the UK's opponents in other countries are already using their upgraded facilities, UK equestrianism is likely to weaken over the coming decade.

I'm guessing you've never visited some of the uks already established venues? We already have some of the best competitive venues in the world, temporary like badminton and permanent like arena uk etc. Which is why youll find many of the 'lesser nations' already base themselves here to take advantage of our established and extensive equestrian network.

Many venues already struggle to get enough money in, this is not due to lack of enthusiasm for the sport but more and more due to increasing costs for every owner such as fuel costs, a major issue when driving a lorry or 4x4.
 
You miserable cow. Why not take a look at the bigger picture. If you can't see it then you may need glasses.

No need to be offensive. This lady has a different view than you (not one I agree with by the way) and she has a right to voice it for others to consider. It's called freedom of speech. Insulting someone just because you don't agree with them is demeaning for you and for our sport.

Personally I think she makes some valid points (around the budget) but on the whole I think the pleasure given to millions across the world in seeing the sport at Greenwich (majority) outweighs the objections of the objectors, mostly local/London based (minority).
 
Sorry phone cut me off before I could finish ...

I also wanted to say I was fortunate enough to go to Greenwich for the games - it was fabulous! Great for Greenwich too, showed one of Londons poorest boroughs in a wonderful way to the world. It's economy can only benefit.

Nobody likes a sore loser Rachel ! Accept you have lost this one and move on..
 
Re the budget, I doubt there has been an Olympics on recent memory that came in anywhere near the estimate, unfortunately. It seems to be the nature of the beast. It took Montreal 27 years to pay off '76, although that admittedly was before the modern revenue production organisation. And thee doesn't seem to be much doubt Athens contributed to Greece's problems.

They seem to be a bit like Grand Designs - think of a number, then triple it. ;)
 
For the one millionth time: Shooter's Hill,

To obtain permission for planning permission to build something equestrian on Metropolitan Open Land at the Shooter's Hill, LOCOG and the Council lied, claiming that there were no other riding schools in Greenwich. The fact is that there are already three riding schools in Greenwich.
 
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