21 year old Companion Sec B Free

Tazhazzamoose said:
oops on the other forum of 'breeding experts' we're being dubbed tree-huggers ;) that we are not ...
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Now that is the most amusing thing that I have heard on here for weeks! :D

lizzypeg said:
like iv already said.our mare is a rare registered breed.
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Just interested to know what breed?

lizzypeg said:
the mare then chooses so its not cruel or evil.
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Is that how it works? :confused: I thought it was biology, sperm meets egg at the right time sort of thing.


*throws condoms out of the window*
 
Naturally said:
Now that is the most amusing thing that I have heard on here for weeks! :D



Just interested to know what breed?



Is that how it works? :confused: I thought it was biology, sperm meets egg at the right time sort of thing.


*throws condoms out of the window*
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I sincerely hope the person who originally said this isnt a S*x Ed teacher
 
Of course its biology, sperm meets egg at the right time HOWEVER if the mare does not wish to mate then she won't and therefore then she will not take and sperm will not meet egg. Our mare is never forced to mate, she is taken to see stallion, if she shows she is interested (those that breed will know in which ways mares do this, those that don't can always look it up) then we will cover her, if she isn't then she will go back to the field. When she is covered she is only ever covered once and if she does not take then she remains empty for that year, HOWEVER for the last 5 years she has taken each time and produced a healthy foal of which we know where every single one is and infact 3 of them are still with us and plan to remain that way. We believe that she may actually be empty this year as was showing interest after she was covered with another stallion BUT we did not recover her as we let nature take it course and if she is empty then she will have a years hols and hopefully she will not be too bothered by seeing the other mares with their foals next year.

Also not that i need to justify myself or why we breed our mare to anyone on here, but seeing as people are so interested in other peoples business, in her whole life (she is now 18) she has bred 7 foals in total, the first going to Germany, the 2nd being sold to a friend and the last 5 more recent foals all being either kept or going to close friends SO we know where every single foal is AND won't sell a foal to just anyone and as pointed out before most of the times the foals have GOOD homes lined up before they are even weaned or we already plan to keep them so it does not matter.

In as far as breed goes i am not going to tell you what she is BUT lets say she is in the below Endangered list (not quite on the critical list yet, btu could end up that way over time) and there are only around 40 foals born in the UK each year so NO this is not a breed that i feel is overbred or turned out two a penny like the small welshies, newforests etc.

Horses/PoniesCritical:
Cleveland Bay
Eriskay Pony
Suffolk Punch

Endangered:
Dales Pony
Exmoor Pony
Hackney Horse and Pony

Anyway thats all i am saying on the subject, the original discussion has diverged somewhat from "is it ok and right to give away a 21 year old" to "Do i have a right to breed from my endangered breeds pony" and frankly people are welcome and entitled to their opinions on me and the OP that the thread was originally about (who i do not know by the way, i just agreed that i don't think it is wrong to breed from a 21 year old) but we do what we do for the good of our breed and with approval from the breed society and with a clear consience knowing where every single foal my mare has bred now is so thats all i have to say on the matter
 
Im not sure anyone has said that lizzy, not me at any rate. Informative about the rare breeds, I had no idea exmoors were endangered, I thout they were rounded up and slaughtered en mass because there is little demand for them! :o

Your comment on the mare deciding if she wants a foal does still amuse me though. Im pretty sure any healthy mare would flirt and be happy to be covered if showed a stallion at the right time in her cycle, im not sure that has anything to do with deciding she wants a foal. Not that its partcularly relevant but yes I have worked in, and gained qualifications in stud work.
 
Please introduce me to a mare that 'decides' she wants a foal so allows herself to be covered.

It took early mankind many hundreds of years of evolution to make the link between giving birth to a baby and the act of sex some 9 months before.

So far I really don't think even the most intelligent of horses could made that connection. It's called hormones and it's nature's way of ensuring a species survives - mare comes into season, stallion covers her, bingo - conception.

There is no conscious decision from the mare to have a baby because she wants something to love or a purpose in life. If mares do start making those decisions, lord help us because they might also work out that they don't actually have to put up with us lot as owners and we are all on borrowed time!
 
Llewelyn said:
Please introduce me to a mare that 'decides' she wants a foal so allows herself to be covered.

It took early mankind many hundreds of years of evolution to make the link between giving birth to a baby and the act of sex some 9 months before.

So far I really don't think even the most intelligent of horses could made that connection. It's called hormones and it's nature's way of ensuring a species survives - mare comes into season, stallion covers her, bingo - conception.

There is no conscious decision from the mare to have a baby because she wants something to love or a purpose in life. If mares do start making those decisions, lord help us because they might also work out that they don't actually have to put up with us lot as owners and we are all on borrowed time!
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Exactly, I did have to laugh at the mare deciding whether she wants to be covered, erm so hormones have nothing to do with it?!!!! But am not critising anyone who breeds a foal that is in demand/has a home for it, as long as the mare is healthy and fit enough to conceive, carry the foal to term, deliver it safely and rear it to weaning.
 
Such nitpicking and point scoring :( Although "the mare chooses" may be an inappropriate turn of phrase, it isn't difficult to understand that the poster quite obviously meant that mares bodies are either capable or not of conceiving and carrying foals to term. Many mares continue their broodmare careers into their 20s and many breeders breed their mares every year. Some breeds may have limited marketable potential at this time but that does not account for every breeding business where very often they do have a buoyant and lucrative market place for their youngstock. Some posters on this forum don't have the knowledge they think they have and it's highlighted like a beacon to those who do.
 
thank you springfeather for actually getting what i ment.thank you for a reply without the sarcasim found on so many other posters replies too.
 
Repeated use of the phrase wanted to have a baby will cause 'nit picking' i'm afraid.

Spring feather, stretched broad ligaments and poor vulval conformation are two of many conditions which would not affect a mare's willingness to be covered and ability to conceive, but are potentially fatal to both mare and foetus. Stretched broad ligaments in particular is relevant to this discussion because its more likely the more highly multi parous a mare, and the older she is. The vets reports and photos of mares heavily in foal but should never have been covered are heart breaking and it can only usually go one way fod both mare and foal :(
 
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