3 ponies and on social benefits!

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Is it wrong to have three ponies at £90 pcm DIY livery each whilst claiming housing, sickness, and every other social benefit under the sun whilst us hard-working tax payers pay for it all
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£90 pcm x 3= £270pcm plus hay/straw/feed/farrier/worming/vets/dentist/insurance for all 3 ponies comes to rather a lot of money for someone whose husband runs his own business! Yes, his own business but the family is in council housing!!!! Wife doesn't work, three kids aged 23, 19 and 10.

I have one horse and could never afford 3 and my partner and I earn a very comfortable amount of money.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for helping those who need it but surely this is taking the p**s!

Thinking of calling the National Benefit Fraud Hotline!
 
Why are they getting benefits if he's running his own business?

Call me a b**ch but I would call the hotline! They will investigate the claims. Friend of mine works for our local council investigating fraudulent (sp) benefit claimants and they really appreciate any calls, even if it comes to nothing.
 
I think there is benefit fraud going on there (ETA - if you know this to be true!). Not saying people on low incomes/in council housing shouldn't be allowed to have horses, so not even going to open that particular can of worms, but if a person is earning JSA and housing, while their husband works is illegal, over here it is anyway.
 
I know a few people that are on housing benefits and income support that have horses. As long as they are claiming the money legally i cant see the problem. Surely how they manage/spend their money is up to them.

However, if they are not declaring for work they are being paid for, that is a different story.
 
Sorry but how do you KNOW what these people are claiming??? For all you know the 10 year old could be the only one entitled to child benefit. OH may well be supporting all the others or do the older ones work and contribute?

Your post does smack a bit of sour grapes but if you have genuine conerns the call the hotline....if thats the way your conscience takes you.
 
If you suspect benefit fraud, call and report it, you can do so anonymously. It really is your civic duty to report people who are stealing from the state.

However remember that you do only suspect her you don't have proof and while you may be right and should report it there could be an explanation.
 
A quarter of the people on my yard claim benefits have a few horses and spend most of the day at the yard - err go get a job scroungers!
It winds me up because they say oh im too sick to work or i havent got time but spend hours in the tea room chatting about horses then ive got to spend 9 hours a day working and struggling to pay for mine and funding the benefits they get to pay for theirs.
Dont get me wrong im sure alot of people have genuine reasons for claiming but not these buggers - one of them even brags how she says her husband has left (he hasnt) to get more money then turns up with a new £300 saddle for her horse grrrrrrrrrrrr!
 
Sounds highly suspicious to me , if what you say is true. I know of someone whose husband is on the sickie but works for cash in hand and they have got a new 4x4, pony, dogs etc! The welfare system's a bloody joke at times.
 
He's a self-employed mechanic, does a few cash jobs so doesn't declare his real income so can fiddle his books. Probably makes it look like he can't support his family?

She does the odd cash job on the side so won't be declaring this extra income.

Is it wrong to detest people like that who are taking the p**s out of all us hard-working, tax-paying contributors. My hubby works extra hard for our nice lifestyle which we deserve, but we end up paying for these skivers!
 
See....I thought benefits were supposed to be a safety net, not a way of life..
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I am aware of people who claim for stuff I personally dont think they should be entitled to, but sadly its not up to me to make that decision....
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I seem to be entitled to nothing apart from paying tax.....sometimes I feel I am supporting an entire other family out there somewhere, pee's me right off.

We had 2 on our yard the same...claiming DLA, incapacity, JSA, the lit....for years.....had 2 horses. But then again they lived off crisps......

Report it if you think they are claiming what they are not entitled to.......you can do it anon. on-line
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He's a self-employed mechanic, does a few cash jobs so doesn't declare his real income so can fiddle his books. Probably makes it look like he can't support his family?

She does the odd cash job on the side so won't be declaring this extra income.

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Pick up the phone then.
 
Honestly the only way to stop benefit fraud is for EVERYONE to report their concerns to the authorities. When cheating becomes to hard then these people might just consider getting a job........
 
What benefits do you know of that would enable me to keep horses? I've clearly got my work ethic completely wrong. But, I'll just keep paying into the welfare system so that other people can have their luxuries without doing a a days work. I don't know maybe if I have a coronary due to extreme irritation caused by those afflicted with lazi-itis I could claim sickness benefit?
 
I'm not sure what point your making with this post.

I've gone through periods of being unemployed and got £60 per week and pay my pony from this money. I keep him extremely cheaply for although he gets his basic needs met (just doesn't get posh rugs, is barefoot, and is out 24/7 so no bedding etc).

They could have savings which come under the amount required to still be eligable for benefits.

And exactly what are you implying that because he runs his own business and lives in a council house. He could live in a caravan and it wouldn't be any of your business.

Sorry but I think you sound like a judgemental, green eyed snob. If they horses are being properly looked after and maintained then all fairness to them and what business is it of yours is beyond me. Maybe you should get a bit of life experience and understand that people from across the board live in 'council housing' before you go making statements like that.
 
I too know plenty of people who claim JSA and have horses. And no, it is not fair that others are working to pay for these people's luxuries.

Unfortunately the system in this country needs an overhaul it'll never get.

My aunt (not by blood I hasten to add) claims JSA and disability benefits. She has 7 (yes, 7) horses, works full time and has absolutely nothing wrong with her (claims she cannot walk due to a bad back but manages to look after and ride said 7 horses and get to the job she doesn't have).

She's been reported numerous times but nothing is ever done about it because they say they cannot prove she has a job or owns horses (follow her for a day and they'd save themselves a lot of money!)

Good luck, doubt you'll get very far with it!
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Fraud is a different kettle of fish, but don't automatically assume all in council houses are on benefits.....
I get people who assume we have loads more money than we have, as we have more than a couple of horses. But we don't smoke, drink little and don't go to the pub/club/pictures etc etc. All our money goes on the horses.
In the same way, it should annoy you that people on benefits smoke, as they cost so much...
You are right though, it's unfair that some people can doss about living off what we put into the country. But as with everything, change it from the inside, don't grumble about the outcome.
If you truly believe they are fiddling then say something. Turning your back is how people have got away with it for so long.
 
mind you my other half is unemployed, he claims no benefits as despite working for the last 20 + years as last 2 were self employed he is entitled to zip all! I work my arse of to pay for everything but have heard some one state that they thought OH got loads of benifits. So be careful that you have your facts straight about the three pony owner.
 
Personally if it is true that they are claiming for those benefits then I think you should ring the hotline. Fair do's if they are ligitimatly claiming the money then fine but if not that is disgusting. I am completly with you in that I work my socks off to keep my mare and sour grapes or not if you can't afford to pay your own bills then dont have a horse! The benefit scheme is upside down anyway and to me it seems the only people who are in support of the benefit scheme are those who benefit from it. The fact that a person I worked with has just left his job because he can claim more on benefits and not have to work says it all. I have nothing against people legitimatly claiming benefits when they carn't help but they should go back to work and earn and honest living as soon as it is possible for them. When some live better lives and take more holidays than I do and I work 5 days a week 10 hours a day it gets a little much!

This is just my opinion and i am sure i am going to get slated for this!
 
There are several people on my yard with more than one horse and they don't work and are getting benifits.
And most of them are kitted out in all the new gear and have wagons/trailers :s
 
Minxie - I dont think that the other person was having a go at people that live in council housing/are on benefits per say.

I think she is somewhat bemused that someone can afford 3 ponys whilst on benefits.

Everyone is entitleed to benefits, especially when life kicks you and you llse your job, become sick, etc. As you say, you went on it when you lost your job whilst looking for another. For you it was not a way of life but an interim stop gap which in my view is what its there for.

But to claim sickness as a permenant thing whilst having 3 ponys on DIY is a bit rich. Me thinks I would be picking up the phone.
 
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mind you my other half is unemployed, he claims no benefits as despite working for the last 20 + years as last 2 were self employed he is entitled to zip all! I work my arse of to pay for everything but have heard some one state that they thought OH got loads of benifits. So be careful that you have your facts straight about the three pony owner.

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I dont understand what his 2 years being self-employed has to do with being unable to claim anything? If he was paying NI then that is your contribution to pension,NHS, benefits etc.

My OH was self-employed for 11 years before going back to working for the NHS.....he paid tax and NI all that time....as such he maintained all his rights to claim for whatever ( he never did though, not even sick pay- it wasn't worth it for self-employed people)
 
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Ponies could be paid for by grandparents? My parents weren't on benefits, but my grandmother paid for part of my ponies upkeep & it made her happy to do so even though the contribution wasn't necessary it helped her feel involved in what I was doing.
 
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I know a few people that are on housing benefits and income support that have horses. As long as they are claiming the money legally i cant see the problem. Surely how they manage/spend their money is up to them.

However, if they are not declaring for work they are being paid for, that is a different story.

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Because if they didn't have horses, then it's quite possible they wouldn't need to claim income support... Horses are a luxury, if you have to claim income support (which is YOUR and MY money, paid for by OUR taxes) then surely you should have different priorities. However, do you (OP) have proof that they're committing fraud?
 
Thank you Freckles Mum - correct, I wasn't targetting people in council housing having had a council house upbringing myself! Nor was I suggesting that people on social benefits should not own a horse. I was merely saying how is it possible this family can afford 3 ponies?

This is clearly a sensitive subject for most people and opinions differ greatly.

Although the vast majority of people who claim benefits are honest, those who steal benefits are picking the pockets of law-abiding taxpayers. In 2008-09 benefit thieves stole an estimated £900 million from public funds.....so I shall be picking up the phone.
 
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