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I have to feed my 2 year old cob allen & page fast fibre as a hay replacer.He isnt allowed turnout during winter so will have a bucket put in in the morning and one at night.Going by the guide on the back of bag,he has to get 10kg each day but not too sure if it means the 10kg should last 24 hours or 10kg every 12 hours????????? Hoping to get an answer before going to the yard in the morning so i dont under or over feed him:)
 
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I have to feed my 2 year old cob allen & page fast fibre as a hay replacer.He isnt allowed turnout during winter so will have a bucket put in in the morning and one at night.Going by the guide on the back of bag,he has to get 10kg each day but not too sure if it means the 10kg should last 24 hours or 10kg every 12 hours????????? Hoping to get an answer before going to the yard in the morning so i dont under or over feed him:)
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it would be 24hrs, but honestly, i wouldnt even try. I would be getting hay/haylage or moving him. Why would he be needing it as a replacer?
 
mlbxx2015 said:
I have to feed my 2 year old cob allen & page fast fibre as a hay replacer.He isnt allowed turnout during winter so will have a bucket put in in the morning and one at night.Going by the guide on the back of bag,he has to get 10kg each day but not too sure if it means the 10kg should last 24 hours or 10kg every 12 hours????????? Hoping to get an answer before going to the yard in the morning so i dont under or over feed him:)
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I could not be in a yard with no winter turnout specially with a baby. Most land recovers if managed properly even an hour or two would let them stretch their legs. You can also feed Dodson and Horrel as a Hay replacer to along with FF throw in some Ready Grass too
 
I agree with the others as regards turn out but to answer your original question, the general rule (relates to DRY MATTER) is to feed 2% of body weight per 24 hours to gain weight (and for hard working or growing animals) 1.5% for maintenance and 1% to lose weight. That much soaked feed isn't going to keep him occupied or food in his system for the whole 24 hours though - he needs something he can trickle feed on.
 
Unless a horse is under veterinary supervision because it's il or injured, it's completely unacceptable to keep horses who are not in hard work in a situation where there is not turnout .
I would never ever feed a young horse a complete diet of wet food .
Your young horse needs long forage it needs exercise and movement .
Find a new yard pronto.
 
Goldenstar I'm not sure you can or should be quite as proscriptive as that. I do actually agree with you - but I am also aware of a number of horses kept exactly like that and doing fine. I wouldn't want it for any horse if it was avoidable - but sometimes it isn't.

OP - 10kgs dry weight of fast fiber will soak up to about 3 times it's weight. If you can don't use it as the sole fiber source - it is very mushy and more designed more for those who can't chew so easily. We do use it for horses kept in (Eventers and Hunters in hard work kept in 24 hours before an event or at shows before I get accused of being hypocritical) so they have an option of fiber sources. Mixed Hay / Haylage both on different spots and in a trickle net, fast fiber and if we can a string of veg (or is that veg on a string?) hung for entertainment. A stalk of sprouts is quite popular this time of year. Simple systems (and a number of others) make a compressed block of alfafa which they can chew on, chuck about and generally play with which can be good. Feed value wise they are about the same as a 1/2 section of hay. At 2 yr lad will want as much stimulation as he can get so lots of options plus lots of in hand walking. Turnout is better - but life isn't always as we would want it to be!
 
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I am also aware of a number of horses kept exactly like that and doing fine.
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Physically they might look fine, but you can't say anything for their mental health or state of mind.

I cringe at how bored horses who are in 24/7 must be, and also wonder how their muscles and joints will be affected later in life. It can't be good standing around not being able to move day in day out.
 
Sorry but I agree with Goldenstar. I know people will argue, but im afraid if I had to have a 2 yo kept in 24/7 I wouldnt have one. I wouldnt try and keep a herd of cattle in the garden, or a wolfhound in a flat. If the facilities arent there, move or don't have horses!
 
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Sorry but I agree with Goldenstar. I know people will argue, but im afraid if I had to have a 2 yo kept in 24/7 I wouldnt have one. I wouldnt try and keep a herd of cattle in the garden, or a wolfhound in a flat. If the facilities arent there, move or don't have horses!
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I was going to say exactly the same, why?!!! Or keep a child locked up in the cupboard under the stairs :p
 
Young horses cannot develop properly without movement it's vital for foot health and for their bone and soft tissue development they are moving it's vital for their wind health that they are out of doors as much as possible it's vital for gut health as well that young horses are out in fields .
If I could not give a youngster a minimum of six hours turnout daily I simply would not have one it's entirely unacceptable to me that horses not in work do have access to turnout.
I am sorry Shay I will be as prescriptive as I like in this day and age it's just not on, we know the damage it does, we understand how the horse develops strong feet and how movement is necessary for bone and soft tissue development and how difficult it is to look after the horses wind when stabled ,the role that grazing has in developing the correct bowel fauna when young I could go on and on and on but will restrain myself somewhat .
 
He cant have hay due to teeth problems,should be better when his back baby teeth come out.Im not too happy about no turnout as it was advertised.The yard owner said it was like a scene from from the rspca because they were out in the heavy rain (even though his cows and sheep are) He did say they were to be in for a few days,and depending on weather,they could maybe go back out.Im really not going to move them from a place they have been at for a year and a half for that.They will have turnout in the school everyday for a while.Most yards near me have no turnout for half the year which is the reason i moved to this yard,even though it is quite a drive away.GIVE UP MY HORSES BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE TURNOT HAHA A BIT EXTREME !
 
Does he still have his balls as well?
Also, why did you register a new profile to post this thread, then reply with your old one?
 
OP, the feeding recommendations given on the Allen & Page website are dry weight per day.
As its a young growing horse you have, you could maybe reduce the amount of FF per day and part replace with soaked grass nuts?
 
Thanks.Ive been advised to feed this by my vet and equine dentist so not sure about changing it :/ I am having his teeth seen to within the next couple of weeks to find out if he can have hay (think it depends on wether his back baby teeth have came out)
 
Nobody told you to. Several people, including me, pointed out it's inadequate for youngsters and I stated I would give mine up without turnout.

I'm not sure whether you post these things for a rise, or just through lack of knowledge. From a welfare pov I hope it is the first.
 
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